No was my vote and a separate award for GDOY is an awesome title!
YES: Gameness is the essence of the breed, and dogs who show it to the extreme are deserving.
NO: The DOY title should only be about performance.
No was my vote and a separate award for GDOY is an awesome title!
Mouth, ability, structure, and wind can be added, the only thing that can't be added is gameness. When building a yard that should be priority 1 then concentrate on everything else. I think there should be DOY and GDOY also....
Yep.
All the hardware in the world isn't worth much if there's no will to use it.
I understand the premise of elite dogs sometimes never being tested ... and how DOY is more about the "most decorated" dog versus the gamest.
Still what turns a fighter from "front runner" to "legend" is having to display depth of heart in the trenches.
We all knew Ali was great, talent-wise, but it was only through his life & death wars with Frazier/Foreman, etc. that Ali earned his immortality.
If you watch the Ali/Frazier wars, and compare them to today's heavyweights, makes you want to shut your tv off to today's fighters ... after you've seen that level of heavyweight matchup.
Buck had his legendary war ... Jeep had his legendary war ... and the camp with Titere has gone to war ... but it seems like Titere is just too good for what's out there for there to be the same kind of war.
Not trying to take away from Titere at all (far from it, he has my vote) ... but (conceptually) I am raising the question of shouldn't a fighter have to overcome extreme adversity ... in a legendary fight at some point ... to become a legend ... or are some dogs just so good that no one can truly check their oil?
Jack
Damn it's neck-and-neck ...
32 Yes
34 No
This is the closest Poll I have ever run ...
Jack
Originally Posted by CA Jack
Check that Thrilla In Manila my friend Ali quit on his stool. Eddie Futch picked Frazier up being Frazier good eye was closed which rendered him blind. All Frazier had to do was answer the bell which he wanted too... Sorry for getting off topic lol.
Hey Jack I believe some are just that good where they never get tested. Here's one for ya, would CH Bad Rosemary would've gotten challenged if Ablizin didn't bring her out in horrible shape? I think not nd feel the same bout titere to find out if he's game he'd have to be handicapped which nobody in their right mind would do...
Sorry to continue the digression ... thought Ali wanted to quit against Henry Cooper, for shit being in his eye.
Do not remember Ali quitting on the Thrilla ...
EDIT: You were right ... Dundee had to "bump him with his leg"
Ali wasn't game like smoking joe, he was ready to quit. And would have quit that fight had Joes corner not threw in the towel. However it was one hell've battle.
GLOBAL
Wasn't twisting anything, you said if you had ONLY all game plugs then you didn't have much. I agree. I also know what you MEANT. Just pointed out that you did say that and I agree. I also agree with what you say here. Gameness is #1, but it won't stand alone these days. Nothing will. You have to have a total package.
It makes me question some of these breedings off of frozen semen that are throw backs from 20+ years back. In 20 years, these dogs have evolved drastically in ability. There are a lot of dogs that would destroy some of the legends of yesterday. Why would anyone really want to breed to that older stuff? I know there are exceptions and I would do it myself to the right stud or straw, but it's just something to consider and think about.
And by the way, I don't agree you don't "Have Much" if all you have is game. Said that wrong. I just mean, you can't consistently win with gameness alone.
For the record, my vote was no
I must admit I really enjoy these threads. Folks can disagree without it becoming a pissing war, I'VE FOUND MY NEW HOME LOL
It would be hard for any fighter to be gamer than Frazier.
He basically committed suicide when he faced Foremen the first time, and put that kind of relentless pressure on a devastating puncher like that ... although it looked like he almost turned and tried to jump for a split second there after like his 5th knockdown (was hard to tell if he had his faculties or not).
On the second fight, Frazier tried to be cute (turned boxer) ... he had enough of pressure-fighting Foremen ... and, though he gave a good effort and made it to Round 5, when he got floored again and Foreman started finding him, he sure wasn't protesting that stoppage
Jack
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