Originally Posted by MISTER
YES: Gameness is the essence of the breed, and dogs who show it to the extreme are deserving.
NO: The DOY title should only be about performance.
That's when fighters were fighters, To be the best you had to beat the best. Frazier didn't have to fight Ali the first time as Ali was still exiled from boxing. Frazier helped Ali get his license back to fight him to prove he deserved the crown. It's not like that anymore in boxing or dogs, folks skirt around quality opposition to maintain their status that's why the dogs on the PBB DOY list are so respected along with their camps, they go after the best to prove they're the best. Even the camps and dogs who came up short have the upmost respect for giving it an honest goIt would be hard for any fighter to be gamer than Frazier.
He basically committed suicide when he faced Foremen the first time, and put that kind of relentless pressure on a devastating puncher like that ... although it looked like he almost turned and tried to jump for a split second there after like his 5th knockdown (was hard to tell if he had his faculties or not).
On the second fight, Frazier tried to be cute (turned boxer) ... he had enough of pressure-fighting Foremen ... and, though he gave a good effort and made it to Round 5, when he got floored again and Foreman started finding him, he sure wasn't protesting that stoppage
Jack
Very well said. These guys truly were fighters.
Was watching both Frazier/Foreman fights again, and the way they were seriously trying to KO each other (not "last the round" and "win on points") made me miss those days of boxing.
Boxing has no sense of history anymore. It's no longer about boxers fighting for the prestigious 8 titles ... it's 60 different titles, 5 different divisions, with every boxer thinking "he" is the big deal rather than the title.
Scroll back and watch Sugar Ray Robinson, the work ethic and level of comp, and boxing has lost anything close to that now.
They fought for a living ... multiple times every year ... they didn't only fight once/twice per year ...
Jack
It has to be performance, in which gameness is its most unique and defining component.
And there are a lot of the legends of yesterday that would destroy some of the dogs of today.
Don't kid yourself: good dogs are where you find em. When you find em's got nothin to do w/it.
I agree. Dogs are dogs.
The dogs of today are no better than the dogs of yesterday.
Jack
The desire to see deep Gameness in this Honorary DOY Title is now taking the lead ...
Yes: 35
No: 34
Again, this is the closest Poll ever run here in the 3+ years we've been online ...
Jack
I too agree with this, dogs are dogs however the knowledge of how to feed, maintain, and put a dog thru a keep using vitamins, supplements etc. are far greater then the methods of the past. I wonder how much better the dogs of the past would've performed if their owners had access to the information we do today
I AGREE
I disagree here...a lot of those truly greats would still be at the top of the food chain. Imagine the same men with the access to nutrition and aftercare because that is what has evolved!
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