Of course, yes. That would go without saying: if you get fabulous results from the cross, inbreed back to each parent.
What I am actually saying, though, is EVEN if you're disappointed with the cross (since crossing is a gamble) inbreed the best-structured bitch back to the male, and the best-structured male back to the bitch, and *then* your cross may work all the more.
For example, when they bred
Gr Ch Zebo ROM to Ch Honeybunch ROM, the results were mediocre nothings ... and they stopped, just dropped what they were doing and forgot about it. What I am saying is if they would have taken one of those DUD females
back to Zebo ... and one of the dud males back to Honeybunch they may well have hit a gold mine either way.
I relayed my own real-world example, that worked 3-out-of-3 times. When I bred Doc back to Screamer, and Anthrax back to both Screamer's daughter as well as a Poncho/Mayday bitch, I got 100% successful competitive, winning litters ... no dog matched lost, no dog matched quit, 1 dog made Champion, 1 dog beat SCK in 2:12, 2 dogs proved dead game, all dogs produced winners ... and, again, that was breeding the *worst* pups in the litter ... let alone the best pups in the litter.
Most veteran breeders don't like to outcross much because it's a gamble. You create "more uncertainty" with crossing, whereas with line- and inbreeding (with a common style/goal) you create more certainty. The reason
why taking even an average pup back to one of the great parents is because you're now creating an even greater likelihood that you'll get that "fabulous dog" again. Look at a lot of these "world beating" Grand Champions on the other page: Tornado, Titere, Vengeance all have "1/4 out" ... and even Buck is 1/8th Zebo.
So if the straight cross doesn't work, the 3/4, 1/4 cross may well be the recipe. I know it was in the Big John/Screamer breeding.
In the Zebo/Honeybunch breeding, there was no "bad side"
A person could have taken a male back to Honey, or a bitch back to Zebo, and either would have been a fabulous 3/4, 1/4 effort. I would have definitely fed one
So, I guess what I am trying to say is (for example) Bulldog Anonymous is talking about breeding
Gr Ch Titere to Ch Boomslang. It is the typical "breed a Champion to a Grand Champion breeding ... that gets everyone drooling ... but, in reality, breedings like this very rarely produce "more world beaters" but just average, good dogs.
They should not let this stop them!
Instead, what I am saying is, they should breed the best bitch
back to Titere, and the best male
back to Boomslang, and then they may well get their world beater
As another example, there was the "breeding of the decade," when they bred
Gr Ch Buck (7xW, ROM) to Gr Ch Queen of Hearts (8xW) ... and do you know what they got from these two aces? AVERAGE DOGS
And they stopped there. They just made random breedings with the game palooka,
Abraham's Bull. (Don't know what happened to the rest of the litter.) Again, my point is they should have bred Bull
back to Gr Ch Queen of Hearts, and they should have bred his sister
back to Gr Ch Buck, but they didn't. Being dog matchers, they didn't know how to breed, they shied away from inbreeding, so they "stopped" going forward with the effort to KEEP that badassness. (At least by going straight back to Buck or Queen.) However, when they made a breeding of Bull to Ch Sunshine (bred very much like The Queen) they got
Ch Freak Nasty.
The fact is truly badass dogs are very often HIGHLY inbred/linebred animals (Gr Ch Buck, Gr Ch Zebo, Gr Ch Tornado, Gr Ch Vengeance) ... and very often the first cross isn't the one that produces that great dog, it's the
next step, the
bringing it back to one key side of the pedigree again, that creates the world-beater.
Just giving something to think about to those looking to breed to "a world beater" ... don't forget to do it
again 
Wouldn't you like to see 3/4 Buck, 1/4 Queen pups? Or 3/4 Queen, 1/4 Buck. (Or Zebo/Honeybunch?) I know I would.
Jack
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