I know it's no piece of cake but..... Build your own mill. Here's why....

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Those mills were badass....lucky to get hands on Moses.

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Yea the mills were kool, but was an open exchange of information because I had something to offer. It was the hounds, Tom was putting bulldogs on the ground at the time. It was night and day between his place and when the dogs were with Randy. I loved that little Lefty dog he had of Tom's who produced petty well for him. Johnny Boy would bite the shit out of you if you could get him out the house but produced solid dogs and Ranger never put one on the gound half his size. Randy tought me the value of a good bitch and what she would do for your yard.

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We tried to breed to lefty toward the end but he couldn't get it up anymore. When Randy skipped and the freak girl didn't pay the rent we tried to buy the spot to build some self storage units. She left the place in shambles. The registration papers were left out with a dog in the house for a number of days (by the countless piles and the god awful smell). The dogs destroyed the papers. We saw half the papers for Ranger and a piece of Lefty's. It was a mess.

If you rode by and looked up on the hill you would never expect the quality of the dogs nor the quality in the mills from what one could see. That is most definitely a book that can't be judged by its cover. EWO

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EWO - That's too bad, he really punted all together...damn shame. I hated the snakes, so I had to give him some space. THAT was out of control! He knew he had a snow balls chance in HELL getting me back in that house after he started bringing in those snakes. The crazy thing was, money from breeding snakes was twice what he made on the dogs and the mills together minus the effort (so he said).

Lefty produced smart, slick, head hunters and was an honest bulldog. All of the fuss around him pulling up made since after you saw how Tom kept ALL of the dogs, but it really hurt him as a stud. I think it took seeing the dogs that Randy bred off him for people to be willing to back up to him. I think he ended up making ROM, but it could have been done a lot faster IMO, he was a very good dog. A lot of kennels, comp was very stiff, space was tight and you had your pick of flavors with ALL kinds off VERY good dogs well bred dogs.

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Very true. We saw a couple dogs off him and that is why we tried to breed to him. The first half of his life was incredibly hard. He had four wins credited to him and 1 loss where it was said he quit. Some say he did, some say he didn't. But most will say he had every right to quit as his life was not conducive to high level competition.

Same deal with me for the snakes. I had a buddy who was into the snakes and he and Randy hit it off really well. He was like, "I just got my Eastern Brown" or ""My cobra is finally starting to spit" or "The python eats a small pig". Although the addition built onto the trailer was world class carpentry, it did look like the end of the trailer would break off in any decent gust of wind. He even had a Nile Crocodile. And I also heard him say the snakes paid for the dogs.

I never made it closer than Lefty's chain spot to the trailer. Once he started the snake talk I was as close as I needed to be. One time I pulled up to check on the mill I was paying for and he came out with some sort of snake wrapped all around him. It was his way of saying he did not have it and I took the hint and backed to the road before he ever got close.

Weird dude. Excellent craftsman. EWO

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lol @ EWO

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Lefty stopped for sure, he was in piss poor shape and I think he had worms really bad. Hell, Tom wasn't even putting any real work into the dogs and showing them staright off the chain. I guess it was easy to get lazy with dogs like Buckus just spitting out pups out back, now keep in mind Tom had other dogs that were not Buckus breed dogs that were CH on his yard, i.e. Spice. It was crazy, This guy had more CH(s) out in just nastyness than most people have in just winners period. If they were winning at all and off Tom's yard it was a BULLDOG for REAL! I honestly wasn’t prepared to see that level of neglect, that was hard living for any dog.

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I have heard the stories but never met him or saw the conditions so that is as much as I could say about that. On the other hand, Randy did a really nice job with his dogs. They were well cared for, well fed and the yard/kennels looked better than his living quarters. The first and only time I went in it was a wreck. I stood in the doorway and thought one would really have to go out of his way to get this bad. I looked over on the table and it was an aquarium with a snake and he noticed it scared the crap out of me. He told me the name but I forget. He said it was one of the deadliest snakes in the world, third or fourth deadliest. It came from somewhere in Africa. He then goes into explaining his protocol if he were to be bitten because the snakes are here illegally with no anti-venom. The closest hospital would struggle with an allergic reaction to a bee-sting and to own one of the deadlier snakes in the world. My first trip in his doorway, and at the same time my last.

We saw littermates from Lefty and Daisy go. I think Daisy was another of Tom's Buck/Chinaman/Panther bred females. We tried to breed to him but he was done by then. Almost like every other vertebrae was fused together. He could barely get around. He was old by age but much older than his age suggested. I tried to buy a few of the younger dogs but he would not part with them.

From the outside looking in it was a rinky dink old single wide. Inside one half was the nicest mills built, maybe the nicest ever. On the other half were some of the deadliest, illegally owned snakes in the world. He was a good dogman I thought. He did great by his dogs to the point of sacrificing on himself. EWO

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LMFAO... I see you were listening...LMFAO! Hell yea that kat had a Gaboon Viper, true story! Clearly you were as traumatized as I was; he made fun of me all the time. That dude wasn’t scared of shit! I used to promise him if I got bit by ANYTHING he was feeding, I would put them all down and set that bitch on fire.

The first time I met him and he come down to open the gate, I put the hammer on the seat. I'll be honest he had me thinking about plan B, he thought it was funny. You know I had to ask him what was going on with the swastikas! I have been a lot of places and seen a lot of things, but that kat had me on tilt for a hot second, I just wasn't able to connect the dots.

It was always good to see him and I never left without having taken something away from the time I spent with him.

Thanks for the trip down memory lane EWO; these curs made us the most unlikely of friends, go figure. I really do apologize for hijacking the post, things just took a hard right.

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I enjoyed the hard right lol