Does Performance = Reproduction?

[S_B]

No - it does not matter.
A bum can come from two great parents.
Greatness can come from bums.

Select and breed around as close to total package animals as you can get that likewise come from a very very solid litter like themselves and who in turn, come from parents of the same

Either answer is correct. No if you are just breeding purely performance animals without relation and Yes if you are following the highlighted sentence above provided you are pulling from a family of individuals.

S_B

[kandyman]

If performance is not related to production, then go breed to a poodle and tell is how many winners you get. If people make a habit of breeding non performing dogs they are short sighted. I will take a gamble here and there but the general idea is you have to show me that you can win before I feed your offspring. I'm not saying the piece of shit littermate can't out produce his good sibling. It's possible, but how long before those excuses ruin a hood family of hounds? We make very few breedings. when we plan in raising a litter we expect to get something as good as the parents.

SB said it best, breed for traits and percentages. A solid family is built on a solid foundation.

[Officially Retired]

If performance is not related to production, then go breed to a poodle and tell is how many winners you get.

True

[Officially Retired]

The bottom line is you get what you BREED FOR

While it is true that many inbred bums can produce ... this does NOT mean that bums are what you need to breed to

The whole reason that some inbred bums "can" produce ... is because of THE ACE they're inbred on ... I mean, DUH

You are NOT going to get a bunch of performance dogs repeatedly and consistently breeding game, no-talent dogs.

You ARE going to get a bunch of performance dogs by repeatedly and consistently breeding game, high-talent dogs.

Sure, you can "overlook" a game bum, here and there, and give him a chance to produce ... AND it may just so happen that this game, inbred bum can PRODUCE HIS ASS OFF.

But that doesn't mean you start line- and inbreeding off this bum ... it means you go breed to the badass son of his ... maybe even double-breed on the game bum USING a badass son to a badass daughter ... but ALWAYS trying to steer back to high-performance.

A person has to KEEP HIS EYE ON THE BALL ... it's NOT by just breeding paper tigers ... it's by breeding for A STANDARD.

That doesn't mean you have to kill (or get rid of) every single dog that isn't an ace ... but it also means you don't want to breed to every, inbred, bow-legged retard you come across either.

I promise you my own line didn't get to be a high-percentage bloodline of head dogs by NOT breeding to game, talented head dogs

It got that way BY breeding to (and for) game, talented head dogs

Yeah, sometimes I would breed to a game plug, like Duke Nukem, but the dog wasn't just a total piece of shit.
He had GREAT air, he came from an ALL-GAME LITTER, and he was inbred on an excellent, prepotent head dog.
He wasn't just some bum with nothing good in his pedigree.
He was a long-winded dog, with great conformation, off an all-game litter ... that couldn't bust a grape.

So I bred Duke to rougher family members, that had some punch, but that NEEDED air, and got some great all-around dogs like U-Nhan-Rha, etc.

I sure didn't keep my dogs winning WAY more than they lost ... by "not caring about" ability

Jack

[HAMMER49]

Jack I like that response.
Dogs are individual. I believe you breed traits more than anything else. Sure there are exceptions, but consistently stacking the deck should pay off in the long run. Just because a dog is bred a certain way means nothing if he does not exhibit the traits you desire. I've had friends that say family inbreeding, or linebreeding is how you stay consistent because the dogs will at least be the average of their family. With or without being checked to see if they posses any attributes of a true APBT. I've never desired to be average, and feel all that does is keep names lined up in pedigrees. I always counter with having the ability to orchestrate what I want in an animal and breeding to what I wish to see. That can be achieved by sticking within your family, but you have to seek out the individuals possessing whatever you fancy. Jack you sought to create and maintain a family of head dogs, and accomplished your goal.
[I promise you my own line didn't get to be a high-percentage bloodline of head dogs by NOT breeding to game, talented head dogs

It got that way BY breeding to (and for) game, talented head dogs]

You knew what you wanted and created what you desired by carefully selecting INDIVIDUALS.

HAMMER49

[bossman311]

My question is does a performance carry over to how a dog will reproduce? I feel that a hound can either produce or it can't regardless of how he or she performs... To me they do not equal each other... Just wanting to see what others have to say...

Ahhhh Yeah!
You only breed the ones that performed well don't You?
No one breeds cur-cur to get performance.
But the thing is not every performance dog will produce performing dogs.
But most performing dogs come from performers.
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