Possessive behavior

[Pit Bull Committed]

Other great dogs?

Have you ever owned/fed a truly great dog?

Most truly great, seriously badass dogs are "great" because of their intensity and their refusal to be dominated in any way

Jack

I never said anything about dogs with human aggression are curs in the box did I? I was just saying I would rather not work with one that is aggressive towards any human being. So are you trying to imply that most dogs that are intelligent enough to be loyal to their master "the human" are non great dogs? LMFAO!!! Also if you're trying to say that "MOST" great dogs are people aggressive that would be a first for me to hear from someone with 20+ years of experience with bulldogs. Lol...

"Most truly great, seriously badass dogs are "great" because of their intensity and their refusal to be dominated in any way"...Well duhh...this is pretty much a no brainer....but I must say there's a difference from being loyal to a human being and submitting to another dog. :-)

[Nut]

Exactly Pit Bull Commited. Relating food possessive behaviour to humans to being great dogs is how Jack likes to say it himself all the time, retarded.

I've never dealt with such dogs. If it stays with food agression Im ok with it and just shove its food at him. Once I can't fully trust my dog in other situations (except for being careful in the corner) i cull.

[EWO]

Good post. I think there can be a difference between trust and understanding the why's and what for's. Not to 'over dumb' a comparison, understanding why a dog bites can sometime be a difference maker.

(Not to over dumb it, but...) "Every time I hit him with this stick he bites the shit out of me" vs. "I can't get him off the chain, every time I touch him he bites me". Or, if he has a bone and I take it away he bites me vs. when he is all geeked in the corner, screaming for more he will turn at "bite at" me to be released". All these end up as bites and they all hurt like hell. I know some, and even just about painted myself in this corner years ago, who says all of these are the same. A mindset of, 'if he will bite now, in time he will bite then'.

The guy that turned me on to the dogs was never much of a breeder. He kept 8-10, maybe 12 dogs open to the world. He culled. In hindsight, not too hard but too much. If there was anything that in that moment he thought would keep that dog from making his scratch on Saturday night it was culled. Human aggression fell in that list. Any type or at any time. He had two columns, yes he will and no we won't. The 'yes he will bite' never made it past that moment in time.

As a young boy when you meet someone who is showing you the way, and his way is winning match dogs, normally one takes that path. I did. I culled a lot of dogs for a number of different reasons. Human aggression being one. I have a couple now that if they came along 20 years ago they would be no more.

I have a female on the chain is as docile and friendly as any lap dog on the planet. She is a handful to breed as she is more of a 'fighter than a lover". She shows no aggression when being handled while performing or while being bred. And as important as it is to help her with puppies that is an absolute no-no. Touch one if you want and she will offer you an explanation that even the dumbest of asses (like me, took two times and almost a third to get the hint) can understand. When they are four weeks or so 'she begrudgingly lets go" and I can start feeding them, handling them shots and what not. Anything I do with them I have to remove her do what I need to do and then put her back, never at the same time. I have seen the day, and know some, who would not/could not see past the motherly instinct. EWO

Exactly Pit Bull Commited. Relating food possessive behaviour to humans to being great dogs is how Jack likes to say it himself all the time, retarded.

I've never dealt with such dogs. If it stays with food agression Im ok with it and just shove its food at him. Once I can't fully trust my dog in other situations (except for being careful in the corner) i cull.

[EWO]

http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum...p?dog_id=41359

Ch. Charlie was as good a good a dog as anyone would ever want to own. Game, talented, methodical with incredible finish. He controlled from the side of the head, from the ear to the throat, until it was time and then it was a good night throat check. Incredible dog.

Two instances. We went to an outdoor show. They sat the lights up in the wrong corners. The dogs were blinded. Charlie scratched to the first thing that moved, happened be the referee, nipped him, saw the other dog and made a hard right to the other dog. Prior to the next show we had just finished working him and was doing a rubdown in the building. I was building the box. I dropped a handful of screws and without thinking got down on all fours picking them up. I looked up and from ten foot away Charlie looked up and did that little lean forward and DTA grabbed him. If you have never been on all fours looking into the eyes of a maniacal, yet methodical, serial killer, well, it is unnerving. He had a far away look that is hard to explain. Should he have known the difference between me and another dog? Yes, but...I was not standing up, I was on all fours. I was positioned directly across from him and he was on his line and I assume the thought I was on mine. We made eye contact. We were in the building. We were in the box. He already did in a couple in that same building in that same box.

If DTA does not grab him I am typing right now with a bunch a scars and a painful story vs. 'this was about to happen. We put that dog in a position where he checked all the boxes and when all the boxes are checked, he had been schooled to 'go'. And 'go' was about to happen.

That bite would have been on me and DTA, not CH Charlie, as he said, "Check, check, check, check, check, here I come". All bites are not created equal. EWO

[Officially Retired]

I never said anything about dogs with human aggression are curs in the box did I? I was just saying I would rather not work with one that is aggressive towards any human being. So are you trying to imply that most dogs that are intelligent enough to be loyal to their master "the human" are non great dogs? LMFAO!!! Also if you're trying to say that "MOST" great dogs are people aggressive that would be a first for me to hear from someone with 20+ years of experience with bulldogs. Lol...

You get all giddy, and "LYFAO" all you want, but you understand nothing.

First of all, I never said anything about "curs" or "in the box," or any other such nonsense.

Your original statement was, "No dog aggression towards me or any human being period for me. I'd shoot it if it was mine."

Now you are talking about "loyalty." The two are completely different.

That I have to explain this, again proves you understand nothing.

Also if you're trying to say that "MOST" great dogs are people aggressive that would be a first for me to hear from someone with 20+ years of experience with bulldogs. Lol...

Again, you simply have no understanding of anything. There is a difference between "people aggressive," and a dog that is INTENSE and IN THE ZONE ... you are just not dogman enough to understand this.

Well duhh...this is pretty much a no brainer....but I must say there's a difference from being loyal to a human being and submitting to another dog. :-)

I do believe you have experience in the "No brain" department.

However, loyalty and "submitting" are pet-owner terms.

I was talking about INTENSITY ... and even the most loyal BULLDOGS in the world, can become intense, and will hit whatever is moving.

A dogman understands this, while a novice with a big ego, but little experience, still does not.

Jack

[Officially Retired]

Exactly Pit Bull Commited. Relating food possessive behaviour to humans to being great dogs is how Jack likes to say it himself all the time, retarded.

The only thing "retarded" is you shifting the discussion from intensity to "food possessive behavior."

The OP was talking about KILL-possessive behavior, not "food" ...

My dog Stormbringer could be petted while he ate dog food, no problem ... but he would NOT let you get near a KILL or a BONE he had.

Let one of your dogs kill something, or give it a dead rabbit ... and try to take it away from them ... and you might be in for a surprise

Jack

[S_B]

"Every time I hit him with this stick he bites the shit out of me" vs. "I can't get him off the chain, every time I touch him he bites me". Or, if he has a bone and I take it away he bites me vs. when he is all geeked in the corner, screaming for more he will turn at "bite at" me to be released". All these end up as bites and they all hurt like hell. I know some, and even just about painted myself in this corner years ago, who says all of these are the same. A mindset of, 'if he will bite now, in time he will bite then. EWO

Those behaviors you described EWO is the big difference in bulldogs that are actually human aggressive vs. being excitable in the heat of the moment.

Most truly intense dogs will hit you, not purposely while engaging. It's kind of like when you get into a brawl at the bar and you "blacked out"and whooped some ass! Dogs also, by my observation of their behavior, go into this mode. Having a good eye and being able to differentiate between their behavior is learned, unfortunately many never get it.

I know some folks who have a few dogs they can't handle without muzzeling in certain situations. Like clipping toe nails, breeding or treating various things on the dog. Those traits are NOT for me, if I can't give my dog basic medical attention without being hammered by the dog, then I'm culling it. There is no excuse for that behavior, none.

I think by being a good dogman you learn to recognize the good and bad overall in your dogs and you have no trouble differentiating between what is acceptable and what isn't.

S_B

[Pit Bull Committed]

EWO...I agree with what you said. Purposely biting for any reason I would just not tolerate it. If I was the only one to be around the dog or handle it I may make an exception if the aggression isn't too severe (but I'm not the only one...I have little kids). Unintentionally biting is not as bad...just have to know what will trigger them and avoid it.

Jack, I was simply just stating my opinion on what I would do if I had a dog that show aggression towards me or any human being. You're the one that decided you wanted to make a claim that "most" of those dogs (I would rather not work with) are badass "great" dogs. So I just have to luagh my ass off to that.

[EWO]

Agreed. It is important to differentiate between bites. And a person's individual situation works in the mix as well, as a bit child is a bit child regardless of the reasons. My kid interacted with all my dogs as he and they grew up. So I had that concern as well. I basically broke my yard into halves. In the back yard were puppies and young dogs who were still puppies. As they matured they moved to the other side of the property that was fenced in with locked gates.

Back to the original intent of the post. I have one dog who I can handle and rough house with to no end. When he is eating I can rub and handle with him with no issue. If he is eating a fleshy bone type meal he gets stand offish. He never showed any real issue but I have never tried to take it from him. If I pushed the issue I may have a problem, but he is on a chain, fenced in around him, so that something I do not need to pursue/figure out.

Like most things with the dogs it ends up being the choice of the guy dropping the feed everyday. EWO

[Black Hand]

You can push a dog to bite you. Some dogs just require less reason to get your ass than others.