A 4W should be respected for what she did, not be hated upon from what you heard.
A 4W should be respected for what she did, not be hated upon from what you heard.
Very well said.Originally Posted by Nut
While I have the utmost respect for a dead game dog, I also have the utmost respect for reality.
I wasn't there, I don't know if this bitch stopped (or not), but I do know that any bitch with the talent to win 4x into good comp, who lost her 5th in an hour, pushing weight into a Champion, is better than 99% of the bitches being bred today.
No dog is perfect. They all have strengths, they all have weaknesses.
And the bottom line is any bitch who wins 4x into good comp, and loses #5 going for an hour into a Champion, has more strengths than weaknesses.
Jack
I agree with you. Any dog male or female that wins 4 in good comp. gets my vote.
To answer your question yes I've owned a CH right off CH gator half bro to grch black jack.. 2nd no I've never pushed weight bc I always wanna play on an even keel so heat of the moment or not I'll simply take the fit and go home and hook into someone who know how to come in on weight(not my fault theirs)... 3rd yes I've been in a position to go for a title but still I'm not gonna push weight...
I've lost to the dog who beat grch tangos titled brother so top comp is how i play. 2grch and a CH one litter that's the type of comp I play with... I also don't take nothing from famous she won 4and I tip my hat to her on that note but when I read what the owner of the sire says happen I'm gonna believe that bc he has nothing but ”gain” being his stud sired a potential grch... Imagine the stud fees that would be collected... Again no ill will towards you or your dog just keep it real with yourself first that way it'll be easy to keep it real with everyone else...
Keep bulldoggin Unknown
The sire's owner could insinuate human error by a bad camp to defend his blood.Not to say that was Evo's motive.Originally I thought it was a stand up post by Evo being it was his blood,but I also thought he was close with their camp which doesnt sound like the case.
MISTER I said what or u feed now 2015 not what u had 15 year ago 2000 .Funny every body there said the bitch was fuck up in 5 min.But u in Albert who never see her go said she a curl lmao. Hey I bring It like I talk it -In talk it like I walk it u- u can have this internet. So u from tx not far from me put your gloves on in show the world 45 MY SHOES SIZE now let me see u STEP IN THEM.Last time me in famous was out there I left my shirt any way I need to come get it so can I have a invitation PLEASE
MISTER SHOW THE WORLD
Exactly, unfortunately famous owner is incapable of simple comprehension skills along with basic grammar. I now see why events played out as they did...
All you need to know is I had one off cholo and I just gave him away bc of the discrepancies with his sire.. I run a tight ship here.. Hope y'all get it done tho
Typically, I think people who advertise their dogs should be left in peace. If a person wants to breed two :04 wall-jumpers together, that is their prerogative, same as it is a person's prerogative to outcross, scatter-breed, or linebreed the finest dogs he has access to.
As far as Albert goes, he has been booted off this board for his failure to follow direction. IMO, Albert is a highly-successful breeder, and he was welcome here, but unfortunately his sole purpose here was to continue to try to promote his own pitiful website and pedigree structures, and he was cautioned against doing so at least 10x before being given the boot. I explained to Albert that he can link back to pedigrees on "his" site, in the classifieds, but that if he is going to post the self-serving pedigrees of only his dogs on any other section, that those pedigrees needed to link back to OUR pedigrees here. Time and again, Albert failed to comply with our requests, to the extent that he would first post a photo of some winning dog he bred ... and link it back to a pedigree here, as instructed ... but later (after he thought I had checked it) he would then sneak back and "edit" days later, re-linking the photos he posted back to his own commercial enterprise, thinking he could "fool me" that way. No such luck, Al, and thus the inevitable bootmark was given to his ass
Meanwhile, Unknow, you have run your mouth to me in the past, I do believe about Ch Famous in fact, and you went on and on about how Famous would "cur out" any Vise-Grip dog, etc., etc., blah-blah-blah, and yet HERE (and in other places) I have tried to stick up for you and your dog
My honest opinion, Unknow (aside from the fact you don't know how to spell Unknown) is that Ch Famous is a gorgeous, stunning bitch, and that you are to be commended for trying to go all the way with her. My honest opinion is that you should have the right to breed whatever two dogs you want together, without being insulted, taken to task, ridiculed, etc.
However, you come across as such a low-class, foul-mouthed person (with ZERO actual dog knowledge) that it is very difficult to stay on your side. I don't think Mister was being rude to you when he questioned what you were doing with this breeding. He is merely pointing out that, on the subject of GAMENESS, perhaps this breeding leaves something to be desired. Typically, when there is a question of gameness in one of the parents (usually an extremely rough cur), most breeders at least try to breed that dog in the direction of extreme gameness ... not to another dog whose gameness is also highly-suspect.
Ch Famous has proven she has what it takes to win, but most folks think she lost her drive and didn't make it to the hour mark, when put behind. I think the point Mister is trying to make is that, typically, BULLDOGS (when they can't win) either have to be picked up, or they keep going until they're gone. What I happen to find humorous is how the very bitch you said would "cur out" one of my bitches, herself couldn't make it to the hour mark when she was faced with adversity. Here are some examples of GAME individuals, and how they lost when faced with extreme adversity and were put behind by quality opponents:
Again, I think your bitch is a fine animal, worthy of respect, and probably has more ability than 70-90% of bitches being bred, and more wins than probably 95-99% of the bitches being bred right now. But, you see, the thing about it is, our fraternity has this obsession with valuing extreme gameness, almost over everything else, and in that key respect your bitch appears to be extremely common. This is not a slam, this is simply the reality.
Another reality is that you don't have a Size 45 shoe. Perhaps a Size 45 mouth, but not a Size 45 Shoe.
Correct me if I am wrong, but you didn't breed Ch Famous nor did you condition her.
If my understanding is right, someone else bred her and someone else worked her.
If this is true, and we pull out the ol' microscope, it can be clearly seen that you aren't "the brains" behind much of anything.
With that said, you might want to check yourself a bit, and realize that some of the folks offering advice might just have a bit more brains AND experience breeding truly game dogs than you do ... so you might want to listen more, and talk less
Jack
JACK I work famous for her first in second then super d got out of jail in Albert begged me to let him Finnish her in plus I was about to shut her down to take a job out of town.I didn't want no body to fuck her up cause she difficult to work.
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