importance of being private

[lightningstrikes]

As laws are tighter and snitches ears grow larger people I want to stress the issue of how private the game once was not that it will ever go back that way but if there's a confirmation dance off keep it to your self that 5000$ reward money makes people very eager to drop a dime I've decided to walk away from The game with great disgust in my heart I love these dogs and what they are all about but the people ,animal rights activist and law men have torn what was once a honest poor man sport into a cartel / mafia target with no regards to u or ur property I say to all who continue to do right by the hounds is tread lightly keep ur circles tight and mouth closed the ears and eyes are on u ......stay safe to all who keep it real


Lightningstrikes

[Officially Retired]

As laws are tighter and snitches ears grow larger people I want to stress the issue of how private the game once was not that it will ever go back that way but if there's a confirmation dance off keep it to your self that 5000$ reward money makes people very eager to drop a dime I've decided to walk away from The game with great disgust in my heart I love these dogs and what they are all about but the people ,animal rights activist and law men have torn what was once a honest poor man sport into a cartel / mafia target with no regards to u or ur property I say to all who continue to do right by the hounds is tread lightly keep ur circles tight and mouth closed the ears and eyes are on u ......stay safe to all who keep it real
Lightningstrikes

Take the rose-colored glasses off.

If you check your history, the bulldog game was never an "honest man's" sport ... it has always been a sport for thugs and riffraff.

How did Eli get stolen from Junior B, if the sport was filled with "honest" men?

How did Molly B get stolen?

How did Art get stolen?

How did Bolio get stolen?

How did Don Maloney get shot? (Remember the reason?)

How did Bert Clouse get the stolen Patrick's Tater back?

If Bert was a "gentleman," why did he receive the stolen Tater and then match the old, toothless dog and just watch him die trying?

Tudor/Carver? Thugs, pimps, bootleggers, thieves (with Tudor a murderer and Carver a liar/paper-hanger).

Indian Sonny/Patrick? Liars/Thieves/Conmen/Paper-hangers.

Hell, I could go on for hours

My whole point is WAKE UP AND SMELL THE COFFEE

The sport of dogs was always for riffraff

At one point, it was sanctioned by The Police Gazette and the UKC, but that was a VERY brief moment in the overall history of the game.

And, I agree, it does get old after awhile ... even if you have a true passion for these dogs and WANT to do a good job raising/breeding them and keeping them competitive.

The truth is the ONLY "legally-safe" thing to do is obey the law.

Me, I haven't touched a dog since the end of 2007 ...

In closing, I will say that there are definitely SOME legit, good, basically-honest people in these dogs ... I'd say 2 out of every 100.

The rest are thugs, retards who can't spell, who do many other illegal acts, etc.

If you really think you are going to be "legally-safe" living in an environment like that ... well, you're just not very realistic.

Jack

PS: I never understood the often-repeated phrase, "Do right by the dogs."

Does that mean committing a good deed while standing next to a dog?

[No Quarter Kennel]

LOL.....I like it Jack. Everyone does this in all types of forums. People make so many assumptions about things in the past without being there or weighing the reality of what was what. I know, from an understudy of Tudor, that Tudor was as mean, racist and felonious as they come back then.

Makes you wonder what would be possible if this sport were legalized and legit people got involved.

In Ecuador, they have 3 veterinarians standing by for post competitive care. They get top notch care. Looks like something set up for the UFC. Doctors on hand with all supplies and so forth to make sure all is good. It would be even better here.......but it will never be.

[Officially Retired]

LOL.....I like it Jack. Everyone does this in all types of forums. People make so many assumptions about things in the past without being there or weighing the reality of what was what. I know, from an understudy of Tudor, that Tudor was as mean, racist and felonious as they come back then.

Makes you wonder what would be possible if this sport were legalized and legit people got involved.

In Ecuador, they have 3 veterinarians standing by for post competitive care. They get top notch care. Looks like something set up for the UFC. Doctors on hand with all supplies and so forth to make sure all is good. It would be even better here.......but it will never be.

Same with Japan.

Japan has an entire ranking system.

I have always felt that, if you legalized it, controlled and regulated it, the sport would be awesome.

In fact the entire first chapter of my book was devoted to this, comparing illegalizing the game to Prohibition.

Drinking alcohol is not a bad thing to do ... but some people have a problem doing it correctly.

Illegalizing the act of buying/selling/drinking alcohol is what created the crime (the Al Capones) ... but, when it was legalized again, no more Al Capones (at least not in alcohol).

And, here again, drug lords are drug lords only because drugs are illegal.

Who TF needs a drug lord, if you can get a gram at the pharmacy?

Jack

[lightningstrikes]

Ok gentleman maybe it was about rif Raf lieng and cheating ...but me I don't carry myself that way and am honest work hard try to do right by my dogs by keeping them honest to what we expect a game dog to be ...i know that this game brings the worst out of people ... i thought I had a tight circle and I fact did it took one slip upto the wrong ear and it sent the authorities crashing in by the grace of God we were not engaging in any illegal acts but came in as if so ..... i myself love the dogs as I had a deep bond with my animals since my childhood but I'm not going to no longer goin to attend any dog activities unless I hit the power ball or mega millions and can relocate to Ecuador or Japan until then I'll sit back and enjoy the company of my son and his sporting activities
Didn't mean to ruffle any feathers by calling the sport honest ...question since u guys have experienced both days of old and today which was better may i ask

Lightningstrikes

[ChinCheckKennels]

2/100....you are probably right. Usually when your numbers are checked jack they seem pretty close. I won't argue that. What I will do is give thanks to those in my corner. This game or sport is filled with shitty people. But I truely feel I have some of the best and most honest folks. Straight up dudes who do right by the hounds. And by this I mean...properly feed, water, medicate, house, breed , whelp, school and carry on whatever program they are running. Been in some shady places....seen some shady shit. I guess better out then in. But its hard to get out...especially when you have love for the hounds and the sport and trust in the comp. So shout out to my dudes. That list is a small one lol....but I'd bet most would envy it. Bro you know where you always can knock the dust off them handles.

[S_B]

You hit it right on the button Jack! And I'll say 2 out of a 100 is being gracious!

Nothing has changed and nothing will.

S_B

[CYJ]

Ditto Jack, it was the same even back in the 70's through the 90's. Were very few good dog men in the game for just the sport of it. If I told you who broke my Young's Chuck dog with a base ball bat while on it's chain. That dog man would have done the same to my Young's Face bitch if Face had not been up in a locked brood pen. This same person later went over to C. Middleton's yard and did the same to some of his best up coming dogs.

This person was the son of a now deceased but very well known dog man back then. I had a good idea who had did it, because my wife while coming home from work passed this person on the road going by our home. The Last talk I had with C. Middleton a few months back, He brought up that subject and who had done these deeds to his dogs. When he told me that person's name, I knew for sure that my suspicions were right on. Later my Young's Monkey bitch was due a litter and while being called out on a Sunday service call, some forty miles away. When I got back, my little bitch had been poisoned so severely. Looked to have been dead three days, was rigid as a piece of steel and placed upside down on it's backbone and leaned against the brood pen side wall.

A known easy going dog man in Florida and friend of V. Jackson told V.J. many years back that he was too nice of a guy to be in the dog game. That the low life would eat him alive. It got ruff on more than one occasion. LOL

Long as I was in the game I tried to walk and run around 2 1/2 miles at least every other day. Did some weight lifting and boxing a bag etc. Figured one best be in good shape along with your show dog. One could never tell who was going to be doing the dog show, yourself or the dog sometimes could be both. LOL

Usually when the dogs were done more locally among known dog persons. Things went much better. Step up to the fast track and another State. Anything could happen unless kept to say ten to a side etc. and kept private. When the stakes were to high or a dog peddlers dog was on the line or a big crowd was present. Best have eyes on the back of your head and a advanced escape route planned ahead of time. LOL Cheers

[Officially Retired]

Ditto Jack, it was the same even back in the 70's through the 90's. Were very few good dog men in the game for just the sport of it. If I told you who broke my Young's Chuck dog with a base ball bat while on it's chain. That dog man would have done the same to my Young's Face bitch if Face had not been up in a locked brood pen. This same person later went over to C. Middleton's yard and did the same to some of his best up coming dogs.

This person was the son of a now deceased but very well known dog man back then. I had a good idea who had did it, because my wife while coming home from work passed this person on the road going by our home. The Last talk I had with C. Middleton a few months back, He brought up that subject and who had done these deeds to his dogs. When he told me that person's name, I knew for sure that my suspicions were right on. Later my Young's Monkey bitch was due a litter and while being called out on a Sunday service call, some forty miles away. When I got back, my little bitch had been poisoned so severely. Looked to have been dead three days, was rigid as a piece of steel and placed upside down on it's backbone and leaned against the brood pen side wall.

That is just horrible to hear.

I understand the motive to beat a man to death, but never his innocent dog

For example, I just got off the phone with an old timer. I sold him a Champion and he bought another Champion from one of my customers.
So, because I am not breeding anymore, he asked me about Evo's dogs.
Even though EVO proved to be an ungrateful POS, who violated every rule of my board, flagrantly disregarding the rules ... and despite multiple private (and, initially, respectful warnings) ... to the point I had to ban Evo ... because, essentially, he did nothing here but attempt to self-promote ... I still did not badmouth Evo's dogs.
I told this old-timer that I thought Evo was a self-loving, self-interested prick ... but that his dogs were some of the highest-percentage, nicest-looking animals I have ever seen.

Another example: there was this dude I fucking couldn't stand (Butch Thornton), who used to talk shit to me all the time.
We had mutual ass-kicking threats back-and-forth, death threats back-and-forth, etc.
But when one of Butch Thornton's dogs got sick (a valuable brood bitch) ... he knew who to call ... ME ... and all of the bickering bullshit was forgotten.
At the end of the day ... we were DOG MEN ... he had the humility to come to me for help ... and I had the sincere dedication to these dogs to overnight the required drugs to him, no charge (not even postage).

Our troubles (and ego-clashes) were buried on the spot ... that was the end of it.

My point is, there is simply NO WAY I would ever harm someone's dog, no matter how much I couldn't stand them, that is just the mark of a coward and a 100% PIECE OF SHIT.

I am sorry this happened to you ... and your dog

A known easy going dog man in Florida and friend of V. Jackson told V.J. many years back that he was too nice of a guy to be in the dog game. That the low life would eat him alive. It got ruff on more than one occasion. LOL

With all that said, you have to have some evil in you to be in the game, lol

I try my best to be honest, but I will fuck over a person, the moment they try to hurt (or take advantage over) me ... but I would never hurt someone who was honest with me.

And, by the same token, I would NEVER fuck over any dog ... nor fail to give any truly good dog the credit it deserved ... no matter how much I hated its owner.

Long as I was in the game I tried to walk and run around 2 1/2 miles at least every other day. Did some weight lifting and boxing a bag etc. Figured one best be in good shape along with your show dog. One could never tell who was going to be doing the dog show, yourself or the dog sometimes could be both. LOL

True dat

Usually when the dogs were done more locally among know dog persons. Things went much better. Step up to the fast track and another State anything could happen unless kept to say ten to a side etc. and kept private. When the stakes were to high or a dog peddlers dog was on the line or a big crowd was present. Best have eyes on the back of your head and a advanced escape route planned ahead of time. LOL Cheers

Words of wisdom ... and cheers back

Jack

[Rolltidepride]

Take the rose-colored glasses off.

If you check your history, the bulldog game was never an "honest man's" sport ... it has always been a sport for thugs and riffraff.

How did Eli get stolen from Junior B, if the sport was filled with "honest" men?

How did Molly B get stolen?

How did Art get stolen?

How did Bolio get stolen?

How did Don Maloney get shot? (Remember the reason?)

How did Bert Clouse get the stolen Patrick's Tater back?

If Bert was a "gentleman," why did he receive the stolen Tater and then match the old, toothless dog and just watch him die trying?

Tudor/Carver? Thugs, pimps, bootleggers, thieves (with Tudor a murderer and Carver a liar/paper-hanger).

Indian Sonny/Patrick? Liars/Thieves/Conmen/Paper-hangers.

Hell, I could go on for hours

My whole point is WAKE UP AND SMELL THE COFFEE

The sport of dogs was always for riffraff

At one point, it was sanctioned by The Police Gazette and the UKC, but that was a VERY brief moment in the overall history of the game.

And, I agree, it does get old after awhile ... even if you have a true passion for these dogs and WANT to do a good job raising/breeding them and keeping them competitive.

The truth is the ONLY "legally-safe" thing to do is obey the law.

Me, I haven't touched a dog since the end of 2007 ...

In closing, I will say that there are definitely SOME legit, good, basically-honest people in these dogs ... I'd say 2 out of every 100.

The rest are thugs, retards who can't spell, who do many other illegal acts, etc.

If you really think you are going to be "legally-safe" living in an environment like that ... well, you're just not very realistic.

Jack

PS: I never understood the often-repeated phrase, "Do right by the dogs."

Does that mean committing a good deed while standing next to a dog?

Down here in Alabama its common knowledge Eli waa stolen by bush him self
Few older guy's bred to the dog himself while he was brought to Alabama for hiding