sister vs. sister/brother vs.brother

[Buckgator]

CYJ,

Could I ask you for the title of that book I really would like to read it.

[Johngilpat]

Thanks for all the input guys its very appreciated.

[BRICKFACE]

Wow very good reads CYJ!

[SGC]

One of the best books you will ever read on how to properly breed any certain type of dogs, If still in print. Was written by a well known German dog breeder.
This German dog man was one of the top of the line German Shepard's breeders bar none. I learned about this book from V. Jackson, who got his info from Mr. Lonzo Pratt. Mr. Pratt breed some excellent German Shepard's before he later started breeding his line of Pit Bull Terriers.

Great posts CYJ, thank you for sharing your knowledge again. I always enjoy your posts.

I would also be interested in the German Shepherd book if you remember the title.

Having had GSD years ago and also having collected old dog books for many years, I am thinking it might be this book?

"The German Shepherd in Word and Picture" by Max Von Stephanitz written in about 1925?

Amazon link to the 2009 reprint in English at about $43 --

http://www.amazon.com/The-German-She...YAJDBKJ1JFX5YG

The older 1994 reprint can sell for up to $500 (and you can buy an original 1925 edition for that...)

http://www.amazon.com/The-German-She...7AXCSF998CKHR8

It is a huge book, and it has been many years since I looked at my own copy.

But maybe you mean another book?

[gotap_d]

I dont see anything wrong with going into a dog and using its littermate. I cant think of any situations where it has happened but i'm sure it has. Bullyson went into his own son. Match weights not names... unless its a big time name. Just my 2 cents.

[Johngilpat]

The Bullyson match was my reasoning for this question. I was interested to learn if the same situation has happened with littermates.

[Buckgator]

Thanks SGC, will give it a looksie!

[CYJ]

Wow fellows my senior moments and bad eye sight, have caught up with me. Thought the subject was about breeding a brother/Sister breeding. Wish I could put that info. over in the breeding section.

IMHO,If a all great litter of dogs have been bred up and the dog men intentionally show them into one another. There is very little in the end to be gained. These type of dog shows result in the lose of two great dogs. One or both could have been better producers than the rest of the siblings. No way of really knowing. It is even a bad idea to school your own young dogs into each other on your own yard. Best to use a young dog from another dog yard.

I never saw any of this done in my day unless it was a grudge match. One of the dog man was jealous over the other dog man's sibling dog or bitch. Over all the event never went well,usually causing just more hard feelings.

Even though it was not a brother/sister into each other. When Mr. Chavis sent Boone a dog of his to purposefully beat Powell's Termite. Thought that was sort of tacky and trying to cut off one's nose to spite their own face. No one likes to stare across the show ring at a dog of the same family of dogs one has.

From the mid 70's to around the 80's-90's, the Maurice Carver line had gotten so popular. About all you saw was Carver dogs gong into Carver dogs. The Carver line had put a bad whooping on the Colby/Bullet/Old Family Red nose dogs in the Carolina's. Ole Loposay saw the writing on the wall and bought that Carver's (Shivar's/Loposay's) Buster dog to improve his dog yard. LOL

I too had been trying some various local Carolina dogs with little success. When We started using some of those Carver/Mayfield/Tudor/ Texas Tea blends. Things got much better. LOL Generally best to see different lines of popular show dogs perform against each other. Saves a lot of better breeding stock that way. Cheers

[Officially Retired]

I dont see anything wrong with going into a dog and using its littermate. I cant think of any situations where it has happened but i'm sure it has. Bullyson went into his own son. Match weights not names... unless its a big time name. Just my 2 cents.

I disagree with this.

To just "match weights" with no regard for bloodline is to have zero loyalty to anything but "dog fighting" ...

If I have 2 super brothers, why would I devastate my gene pool by matching them into each other?

Even if 1 brother beats the other, it doesn't mean the other brother couldn't beat a dog that his better brother would lose to (A beats B ... B beats C ... C beats A ... happens all the time).

I would rather match both brothers into some other bloodline.

People who think like this are almost never breeders, just dog matchers (who have to buy their best dogs from breeders, precisely because they match and waste everything they have ...)

[BulldogConnection]

Half siblings but never have I known of littermates being hooked into each other.