sister vs. sister/brother vs.brother

[Officially Retired]

With people selling dogs from coast to coast it gets a little tough to know exactly what you're going into. Assume you set a date with a guy that is 3 or 4 states away. A mutual friend sets the stage, but a couple weeks in, you find out you are racing a half brother to what you're bringing. Both of you bought dogs from said breeder and like the results. Do you then pay the ff because of loyalties to the blood? Suppose its a litter mate. What then do you do?
Now as a breeder I would never do such a thing. I would also hope that no one whom has my animals would do so. That is the problem some run into when you make your animals commercial products. They go all over and they may or may not go into one another. Not everyone cares to perpetuate a bloodline, but you hope they do right by your blood.

The stage you set here is the classic example of what happens when people can't breed their own good dogs.

I would never "not know" what dog/line I was matching into

Although my matching experience was limited, there is no way I "didn't know" who/what I was matched into in the few matches I did have.

I spoke to all parties before the deal, I knew which dog (and what line) I was going into, etc.

IMO, anyone who has "someone else" hook a dog + weight for them is a moron ... with no control over anything.

I would NEVER (repeat, NEVER) match into an unknown person/dog ...

I would always talk to my opponents, and (just for conversation-sake) just talking dogs like dogmen, I would ask how my opponents' dogs were bred, what they'd done, etc. I always did this because I simply liked to talk dogs and was always interested to know what my opponents were bringing and why.

IMO, only someone who was brain-dead, and lacked basic human curiosity, would just "match weights" (like a robot), and would not care who/what they were going into ...
Not to mention the fact that anyone who doesn't first check who/what they were going into lacks basic self-preservation instincts (because not everyone who comes to dog deals is a dogman )

In the few times I did match, I always tried to go into top-shelf people (known to be honest, good sports, and to bring top-shelf dogs).

I would never just let someone else randomly "blind-date" match me and my dog into "any idiot" with "any dog" my weight ...

Jack

[Officially Retired]

PS: The only way I would "blind date" match someone is if I was in a country like Japan, where the sport was legal, and where some kind of a ranking body existed, with the authority to mandate where/with whom my dog was to be matched.

But here, in the US, where the sport is ILlegal, with NO governing authority, no one on earth would be matching my dog except ME ... and I would be highly-selective as to who I went into.

Not to shot-pick, but to make sure I was going into a legit camp, that was known to match dogs fairly, with zero trouble/zero drugs, so it would simply be an honest, sporting match with as little risk and outside interference as possible. And I would not be matching into my own stuff. Ever.

[gotap_d]

The stage you set here is the classic example of what happens when people can't breed their own good dogs.

I would never "not know" what dog/line I was matching into

Although my matching experience was limited, there is no way I "didn't know" who/what I was matched into in the few matches I did have.

I spoke to all parties before the deal, I knew which dog (and what line) I was going into, etc.

IMO, anyone who has "someone else" hook a dog + weight for them is a moron ... with no control over anything.

I would NEVER (repeat, NEVER) match into an unknown person/dog ...

I would always talk to my opponents, and (just for conversation-sake) just talking dogs like dogmen, I would ask how my opponents' dogs were bred, what they'd done, etc. I always did this because I simply liked to talk dogs and was always interested to know what my opponents were bringing and why.

IMO, only someone who was brain-dead, and lacked basic human curiosity, would just "match weights" (like a robot), and would not care who/what they were going into ...
Not to mention the fact that anyone who doesn't first check who/what they were going into lacks basic self-preservation instincts (because not everyone who comes to dog deals is a dogman )

In the few times I did match, I always tried to go into top-shelf people (known to be honest, good sports, and to bring top-shelf dogs).

I would never just let someone else randomly "blind-date" match me and my dog into "any idiot" with "any dog" my weight ...

Jack

It happenes all the time. People do get ducked and also have very good dogs that get ducked. A way around that is to not say the dogs name or way he's bred to the opponent. Hook a weight and set the ff high so you dont just back out on show night when great dog so and so is brought to the scales. Hooking names does 2 things. Sets the stage for someone to be ducked or sets the stage for what could be a great show ie sandman/buck or titere/balboa. Say you hooked into a well known and respected dogman and you did happen to know what dog he was going to use before you guys put up the ff and set a date. If his dog gets hurt midway through the keep is he not alowed to get a replacement without you knowing the exact breeding and name of the dog?

[EWO]

I have talked to the owner of 'most' every dog I ever did. Sometimes I knew the bloodline, sometimes I did not, but seldom did I care. I was preparing my squad to beat one dog on one night. My concerns were always his/her weight and the wash. The what and who never factored. Mostly because the entire get together is illegal so I never really looked for, or expected Ward Cleaver or Mr. Rogers when I got there. We made those preparations as well.

With that said, I have been places where I felt like I matched up, and a few times I felt like we matched down. I have been cheated by 'not knowing'. We have even been 'set up' by going blind as well. With good results at times.

It boils down to perspective. Maybe even personal preference. I don't think choosing to match brothers is wrong no more than choosing to not match brothers is right. If two people decide they have two dogs and they simply want to know, more power to them.

One of the truisms in these dogs is "You feed yours, I'll feed mine".

EWO

I can see the point of eliminating the gene pool and not ever knowing which brother would be the producer. And the competition and perpetuation of a family. But it falls under perspective. Odds are if it were to happen, then the other brother would be the competition. And if it factors into breeding the dogs, then maybe I beat you and your dog, and take one out of your breeding program. That is a serious competitive blow to a program.

[HAMMER49]

The stage you set here is the classic example of what happens when people can't breed their own good dogs.
Correct, but not all people like or enjoy raising pups. The breeding, whelping, and raising of pups just isn't for everyone. They would rather hear about the good one, take a look at him, purchase, and maximize his potential as a bulldog.

I would never "not know" what dog/line I was matching into
Here, I could care less. I wouldn't want to go into my own, but the only way to ensure you don't is to keep them to yourself. Unless specifically chasing one in particular, you aren't hooking into a bloodline, you are hooking into an individual.



IMO, anyone who has "someone else" hook a dog + weight for them is a moron ... with no control over anything.
Once again, that is your way. For instance, If I were to do that and my brother whom lives in another state sets the stage, I'm more than confident he wouldn't steer me wrong, and he'd have our best interest in mind. I may not know this person, but I would trust his judgement when orchestrating the deal. Not speaking of any Joe Blow, but someone I have full trust in.



In the few times I did match, I always tried to go into top-shelf people (known to be honest, good sports, and to bring top-shelf dogs).
I commend you for this, because that is the way it should be. Shoot for the best and don't pick on the locals you know are sub par competition. Sometimes, that requires a "semi blind date" or you may have crossed path before without a formal introduction.


Jack

Thanks