We killed a daughter off Mystery in those boy's backyard in under 15 minutes. A big issue with why most of those dogs weren't done was the unfortunate vacation time.
We killed a daughter off Mystery in those boy's backyard in under 15 minutes. A big issue with why most of those dogs weren't done was the unfortunate vacation time.
Mystery to what?
With what?
And what were the weights?
I don't remember exactly how the gyp was bred I'd have to ask WMD but it was either Mystery to Warlord or it was a gyp off Mystery's daughter bred to Duke Nukem. We used a Patrick dog from down south we called Cherry. She was off Koko to J Lo. I haven't gotten around to building her pedigree yet. She killed one in school then went :56 in terrible shape, then she finished WMD's bitch in very short order. Very high finish
Congratulations on having a fine gyp.Originally Posted by BulldogConnection
Mystery was a workhorse, and a rock-solid, determined bitch. Not every pup out of every good dog is going to be a world beater ...
If everything was even weight, and yours was truly that good, then congrats
Jack
PS: Please post a pic and ped when you get the chance ... would be interested in seeing her and looking at the breeding
That is a very nice-looking, well-formed bitch.
As I suspected, it is a heavy Rick Rude/Black Beauty bitch.
That is essentially the only "Patrick" combination (of which I am aware) that competes favorably today on a consistent basis.
That breeding is essentially configured like my Poncho/Coca Cola dogs, if the reader accepts the premise that Hammer and Cheryl Tiegs are brother/sister, actually off of Reuben/Blitz, and that Ch Bobby Jr. is also off of Reuben.
If you have any doubts, take an hour of your time to carefully read this article.
That bitch also looks like she is liver, or chocolate, and not a true red.
Some people don't feel color is important, but if you read about the Chocolate Dogs behind Ouch (and Coca Cola), you might get a better insight as to the finish
In my own Poncho/CocaCola dogs, the chocolate/dark red dogs usually had the ability, while the lighter dogs (if red nose) usually didn't (but could produce).
For example, Stormbringer had the ability, but Warlock was the producer.
Similarly, Vengence has the ability, but Techno was the producer.
Jack
PS: In keeping with this, the blonde Duke Nukem was a game, but harmless bum. Their sister Jezebel was a freaking ace: powerful/fast, everything. It is always important not just to read "the pedigrees" behind the dogs, but also to make distinctions between the individuals themselves, littermates, etc., etc.
Sorry about that typo of tha pointWell, Poncho is the more famous dog, and his pups were being sold at a time when I was active (and the game was a lot more wide-open), so more of Poncho's pups got matched.
Both were WAY above-average dogs, of totally different styles: Silverback being deadly; Poncho being a long-distance dismantling specialist.
That your gyp did well is what these genes are designed to do: well they pretty much kick ass wherever they get off the plane
Silverback was no producer? That's news to me
A 9-0 record, in times ranging from :20 to 2:36, is a 100% win record. Hard to top that
Poncho had a lot more Champions, and a couple that won more than 5, but hell most of Poncho's breedings were outcrosses sold as match dogs.
By contrast, every single breeding I did with Silverback were line- and inbreedings, to highly-inbred Poncho bitches, so MOST people bought Silverback dogs as brood dogs
Not to mention the very fact that of ALL the freaking dogs I have bred, that I placed Silverback alongside Poncho on my avatar here ought to tell anyone with a brain what "I" think of Silverback
There is no way for me to answer "who threw better dogs," as Poncho produced more Champions ... but Silverback has a perfect, 100% win record, bred to Poncho bitches.
When I bred Poncho to Coca Cola, I got the baddest dog I have ever seen, Ch Stormrbinger.
When I bred Silverback's father to Coca Cola's daughter, I got Ch Vengence (cover dog and featured in an article, "Best Dogs I've Ever Seen," by the editor).
When Silverback himself was bred to a double-Poncho bitch, Sassy, this produced PonchoBack, a freaking fabulous dog who outfought everything he was ever put on, and beat a more devastating brother to a Grand Champion in 2:36.
"Tha Point" is they' BOTH were freaking great dogs in their own way, and threw FAR more high-quality dogs than what most people will ever be blessed to own ...
Jack
I ment that point
Heres my gyps ped just so yall guys see it
http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum...p?dog_id=47321
This is a well bred bitch. The J-Lo bitch was suppose to mine some time back. She went thru Punchline and Dead Man but should have been here. My loss. LOL. The Kasai dog on the bottom thru mouth out the ying yang to any and every thing he was bred to, and dogs that could already bite got ratcheted up a notch or two.
I'd make a wager on the bottom half of that pedigree not being as advertised. I believe it is actually double bred Kasai on the bottom vs. being Koko top and bottom. Koko threw that chocolate color as well. Kasai threw dogs that look just like him. I'd even bet she barks twice per second 23.5 hours per day. I bet she will work til she falls, catch a quick breath and go again. I bet on the end of the lead one would think it is a 60lb. dog pulling. Plain freak strong.
Big fan.
Nice looking female.
EWO
I have been breeding my heavy Poncho/Mayday dogs with heavy Silverback blood for a minute and I couldn't be more pleased with the results. And although they are young upcomers they are peeling the shell and cutting airsupply to some very talented and defensive prospects that unfortunately had to be put down due to machismo attitudes on the other owners behalves. Infuse Poncho/Silverback and get the best of both worlds....Kilo
P.S. Love the way the Cherry bitch is bred she's gorgeous!
I'm sure you have a few things lined up coming up in the future, will certainly be in touch with you.
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