Much respect here for Jack and evo, a true man discussion, both pouring out their thoughts saying it as it is. Yet you can feel it's NOT a fight and remained classy. Wish the world had more of you two.
Cheers
Back to the topic with a analogy from the construction industry. A well known builder close to here has built several houses on Lake Gaston. If you are familiar with the area the houses around $250,000 just get you in the door. High end living.
He is well known and well respected. His profit margin has always been boosted as on the down low it is known that he buys a lot of stolen tools, equipment and building materials. The crack heads and thieves visit him often. It is one of those known unknowns.
Some crack heads dropped by with a load of stuff and the wrong person was there so he saved face by insulting them and chasing them away with threats and such. So they came back that night and cleaned him out. He was pretty much left with a hammer and handsaw to build a million dollar house. When he came to us crying about what had happened to him I laughed. I'm a KARMA guy myself.
So to get back to the dogs. If one lays with the dogs you can't be SURPRISED when you have fleas.
A common mistake is to look back on the history of the dogs thru the perspective of nostalgia, or "Rose colored glasses" as Jack said. The dogs like society, have the good and the bad. Looking back seems to forget about the bad.
It has always been private. Just private to one is not the same as private to another.
EWO