Heinzl Blood

[CYJ]

Ditto BrickFace. I was familiar with the Heinzl line and He was very private for sure. V. Jackson and self had two Orbie Coplin bred bitches that were of heavy Heinzl bred dogs. Close up off Colby's Dime and Colby's Rifle blended with Dibo and Arizona Pete etc. If anyone has ever had a line of Heinzl dogs for any length of time. You could tell most of the time what they are by their looks, build type and type markings. One noted thing about Heinzl dogs was good breathing ability and ours had those nice rat tails that swung low.

I had a bitch off V. Jackson's Hank and my Tina bitch called CH Jackson's Coal Cat that was a clone look a like of Heinzl's Polly bitch. Orbie Coplin's Molly was a sibling sister to Heinzl's Polly. The Jackson's Hank dog had a lot of Heinzl breeding from Mayfield and Langham's Lightning I and II dogs along with Stockton's Liz bitch.

Mayfield in a article way back stated that the Eli Bush's Eli dog that Boudreaux later owned was off his Little Cotton dog bred to Evelyn Staurt's Cry Baby bitch. The Mayfield's Little Cotton dog carried a lot of Heinzl breeding. When C . Middleton started in breeding line breeding his dogs. Started getting white and white spotted up dogs instead of the usual black dogs or black and white dogs. Told him it may that good Heinzl/Feeley blood coming to the top. LOL

Eli Bush had some of the same bred Coplin-Heinzl dogs we had. Eli Bush also had some good Corvino bred dogs as well. Mr. Heinzl was very good friends with Orbie Coplin and Joe Beal from Greensborough N.C. Two other dog men that used the Heinzl and Coplin dogs was John Fonseca and Lewis.

Mr. Joe Beal went out West and spent some time with Mr. Heinzl and bred some of his Bitches to Heinzl's Bummy and Gringo. I got to read his letters and looked at all the pictures Joe had back then of his Trip. Was one of the high lights of his life to meet Mr. Heinzl in person. Good to Great dogs back then and today will more than likely have some Heinzl breeding somewhere in the pedigree line up.

ADBA did a great write up on Howard Heinzl and Mr. Coplin. Those who have all those older ADBA books have a lot of good history info. About a year ago talked with one of the secretaries that worked for the UKC Blood lines registry. Said at that time they still had copies of the 1940's and 1950's etc. blood lines magazines. Lots of good info there written by the likes of Heinzl, Tudor, Saddler,Corvino, Colby etc. Cheers

[BRICKFACE]

Sounds like you have some history with the line.

[Rolltidepride]

My heinzl is crosses with alligator blood i love it

[Milehighmisfit]

My heinzl is crosses with alligator blood i love it

Would you mind sharing a ped, would love to see it. This ones had caught my eye:
http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum...p?dog_id=54143

[Rolltidepride]

Would you mind sharing a ped, would love to see it. This ones had caught my eye:
http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum...p?dog_id=54143

Search stanlee dibo tiger

[Milehighmisfit]

Search stanlee dibo tiger

Thanks for sharing It seems several people are enjoying the Alligator/Heinzl cross. I believe Race Horse has been bred to some Heinzl stock as well. It seems like maybe 1/4 to 1/8 Heinzl blood is the sweet spot? What is gained in the first place by adding in the Heinzl blood? Is hybrid vigor achieved?

Stanlee Dibo Tiger
http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum...gs_profile.php
C-Towns Elsa
http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum...p?dog_id=49006
Crums Shine
http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum...p?dog_id=54143

[CYJ]

If you read the writings of some of the older dog men of the 60's. You will find that many felt the Colby dogs improved the Dibo line of dogs. Not the other way around. Mr. Heinzl had good success with blending these two families of dogs.

It appears either or not, with so many dog men jumping from this blood line to that blood line. The Colby/Heinzl/Hemphill/Am Staff/ dogs had lost most of their popularity by the mid 70's. By the mid to late 70's the Carver dogs were the latest rage. Even the old timer Mr. Egan Skinner told me at a visit in his home. That Maurice Carver would be the next famous Pit Dog breeder probably surpassing Colby and Tudor.

I had mentioned earlier, I found it hard to cross the Heinzl line with just any other blood lines of dogs. I felt what that line needed more so than anything was a fresh infusion of Colby blood. Do not know if anyone gave it a try. By the time Indian Sonny had wrote his article on his opinion of the Colby dogs. Very few dog men probably even owned a good line of Colby dogs.

By the mid 70's any really good old line staff blood was no longer around and most Colby dogs were being sold in name only. Three main breeders at that time was still Colby's Sons/Mr. J.R.Loposay and Mr. Pete Sparks. I remember a dog peddler in Hartsville S.C. that had a whole kennel of Colby dogs bought from Loposay over the years. None were worth a ride by to even look at.

Where V. Jackson moved back to many years ago. One of Colby's great grandsons lived not far from V.J. I did not know this till about a year back. I asked V.J. why he did not try at least one breeding off this Colby man's best stud dog? Might have been worth a try. V.J. said the dogs were to big looking for his liking. I laughed,told V.J. his Johnnie dog was no midget. LOL When I added the Bullyson into those dogs. A lot of them were large to catch weight dogs. I myself still preferred the smaller bull terrier looking dogs.

If one was to use any of the Heinzl bloodline today. The best rule of thumb that has been used in the past is around a 1/4 cross coming from a good well built game Heinzl bitch dog. A example would be J. Johnson's Rage bitch. IMHO, just some rambling thoughts on the matter. The good ones are where you find them and then only a handful of dog men can properly put one up for the show and go. Overtime I saw more good to great dogs lose to inferior dogs no matter the bloodline due to improper conditioning. Which I too was not very good at it. LOL Cheers

[EWO]

Good post. The last couple of lines are topics within themselves.

JE told us once the key to Molly Bee was the line of Heinzl/Colby 1/4 or so from her top side. Asked why it wasn't more sought after in order to mimic/re-create Molly Bee and he said the same, "It is just hard to find the dogs that are those dogs". Meaning they were out there by name but just not the same dogs.

She was a little before my time but this is a story told my JE. Basically there was a camp down south that had the one to beat Molly Bee. It was set up and they made the trip. It was a big crowd and JE was away from the box. He was making his way to the box, heard release your dogs, and stopped briefly to speak to an old friend. Heard what sounded like a .22 rifle pop and the crowd went silent. He got to the pit, the bitch has went into Molly Bee's mouth and for her decision she got the her muzzle broken in half. Half way between her nose and the eyes. Snapped it half in two. He laughed and said it was the first time he was at a match and did not see a match. In so many words.

Good insight CYJ. Good post.

EWO

[GRIPPLOCK100]

I have thus male would somebody plz put him in the database thx

http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum...p?dog_id=54948

[ceasar]

I have a male from rolltides' heinzl alligator cross and he is a virtual clone of the dog posted above. at least in appearance.