Anyone have info on conditioning a performance dog up to its ideal match weight instead of the typical ,conditioning downward to match weight.Ive heard Mr.don maloney used to do this but through my research & study I cant find solid proof if anyone has experience please respond.a.Also heard fatbill did this before...would the keep change?etc?
A friend of mine always tells me about the Fat Bill video that he had that took you through both... says it was very informative and wishes he could get another one. Im not sure if one of the ones that you can purchase now or not but if it is my buddy swears the information has been edited.
Fat Bill's $100 keep video
It's called the $100 keep. Some of it is good, a lot is outdated. Not as outdated as some of these keeps from the 60s and 70s but still definitely shows its age.
doesn't that keep recommend cornflakes in the diet? lol
Yes. Also outdated as its use has been trumped by the supplements available today but it is still being used. The cornflakes was fed as a cheap plentiful supply of glycogen/carbs that was already cooked and easier to be broken down.Originally Posted by bad dog
Its funny that cornflakes are used in keeps today by top active dogmen. Actually going to try it in my next keep!
I think you mean USE TO be used by the top active dogmen Most active kennels are using something much lower on the glycemic index for their carb source.
No, I meant that they are STILL being used in todays keeps! Many have suggested to me using brown rice, rolled oats and yams as a better choice and I have tried brown rice and rolled oats. But there are top knls and dogmen that stick to corn flakes for whatever reason and have been successful with corn flakes on the menu.I think you mean USE TO be used by the top active dogmen Most active kennels are using something much lower on the glycemic index for their carb source.
You keep confusing two elements, namely: the fact that some people do 'x' in their keeps with the idea that x is 'best' to do.
Just because some people do x does not mean x is 'best' to do.
To show how utterly silly this idea is, consider the fact that I personally know an old man who has been involved with more high-end dog matches than virtually dogman alive today. He has made, or been involved with, more Champions and Grand Champions than Crenshaw, Ozzie Stevens, STP, etc., and he has used dogs that themselves won more matches (8x, 9x, and 10x winners) that anything either of these "famous dogmen" have been involved with, etc. You probably don't know this man, because he has never "reported" one single match since his career began in the mid-60s, but trust me when I tell you he has been more active than those 3 famous dogmen put together. Do you know what this man feeds? Do you want me to reveal all of his "secrets to success?" Here they are:
- His secret feed keep is SportsMix kibble, calf's liver, and a can of Veg-All vegetables. That's it.
- Do you know what his secret to conditioning is? He pays his toothless nephew M. to handwalk the hell out of the dog and he chains the dog on a 15' heavy chain at the side of a steep hill.
- No supplements, no running, no treadmill, no flirt pole, etc.
- Oh, and his secret "after care" med bag consists of penicillin and dex.
That is his big 'secret keep'.
Now then, I don't think anyone believes that "Feeding Sports Mix, liver, and vegetables is the best thing to feed a dog in keep!"
Nor should anyone be so clueless as to believe the goofy idea that, "Paying toothless nephews to walk your dog is the best way to condition!"
Nor would I ever make the ridiculous claim that "Penicillin and dex are the best things to bring in a med bag!", either
Therefore, a person has to have the basic sense to be able to attribute the right things to a man's success, as well as to be able to clearly see and discard elements that have nothing to do with it. That being said, it is just as silly to attribute the feeding of 'corn flakes' to any man's success in the pit as it is to believe the idea that 'penicillin and dex' are the best drugs a man can fill his med box with
The truth is, the old man won so many matches because he selected for THE two most important elements to any match, which are:
1) He brought the better dog, and
2) He knew what the best weight was for that better dog.
And that's pretty much all there is to it,
Jack
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