Ditto Black Hand. Those Colby dogs that the Colby family still breed would be a excellent reference to add. Those would be close to the older original standard. Another would be some of that Hemphill bloodline. That Iron side Kennels carried on from the last Hemphill dogs Jake Wilder had. Cheers
I'd be more interested in just seeing how closely related modern families are to each other. How genetically similar is a Boudreaux Reno bred dog to a cottingham's bear bred dog.
CYJ. The history of this breed is truly amazing and I would like to make a conversation about it one day. But the breed originated from Manny different terriers and what not. The black and tan was one of the main ones, the Noonan strain is commonly refferd to as the Noonans black and tan. This is turn of the century pit bulls 30 years before akc staffs. For instance fly was 11lbs and her grand dam alsoOriginally Posted by CYJ
CYJ I'm with you on this argument. Those flashy tri colored dogs didn't pop up in the Sorrells dogs until Tatonka started breeding them. I've seen the old Carver's Iron Head type crosses throw a widows peak shadow coloring on reds and buckskin dogs. But tri color rottweiler/staff markings? I'm callin bullshit on those dogs, just my opinion.
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Ditto Lonz on the Noonan dogs of yesterday. I had at one time all of the Pete Sparks books along with most of the old bloodlines magazines. I only read of one noted black and tan I believe back in the fifties that won matches and showed deep game. I personally, never read, seen or heard of anymore, till I saw these Tatonka dogs. Since I had only seen mostly buckskin dogs coming from those Bert Sorrell dogs for over thirty years. Wondered about the sudden color change in those later Sorrell dogs.
I really did not wish to name Mr. Beal., who was up in age at that time. But I got some dogs off I believe his Heinzl Hobo cross. While I was there that day, visiting and later taking a few of those young dogs back with me. He mentioned about a Chesapeake Bay retriever running around the neighborhood causing a ruckus with his dogs etc.
As these dogs came of age I began to notice these dogs had those big otter tails and a inner coat like most water dogs have. Long story short. These dogs were devastating, had no fear of any size dog. Problem was, once they had put the other dog in the floor. Would walk away and cared nothing about scratching back. I put these all down. When you see odd looks on APBT dogs and they do weird stuff like that. You can probably guess you have some sort of trash that has crept in your dogs.
Not A good idea to say so what and pass it on. Just when you got the most sitting on the line in a show event and the yellow in the corn has gotten a extra good grinding. You will find yourself with a so called CH killer looking up at you saying. PA PA can we go home and hunt some ducks. LOL Cheers
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The retriever cross tot he APBT is one of the more frequent accidents. If the female challenges the retriever he will normally just move on as with other chained males. If she does not he is smart enough to maneuver his way through the dogs to find his sweet heart.
My brother in law has two that run his farm. They both look like 60-70lb pit bulls wearing a retriever coat/wide tail. For three plus years they do not fight one another. They roam at night and bring any four legged furry creature to his porch for his approval the following morning. He recently lost one to a bear. He had these huge, deep and penetrating scratch marks. Wide as all get out. They finally found a furry creature out of their weight class. But fit the bill.
My buddy traded a Mims/Eli bred bitch for two Midnight/RBJ dogs. Paperwork most would dream of. Straight off Midnight Jr. Two of the blackest and best looking puppies anyone would ever care to own. Straight walk away killers. They were big and thick and well built dogs. They had course like hair as they grew up. They had a wide thick tail at the base and the hair had a slight fan as it made its way down the tail. The male had the beginnings of webbed feet, not all out webbing, but more skin between the toes than a bulldog should have. Both had ungodly mouth. It was hard to stay with them for 20-25 minutes. But they gave a brand new meaning to the phrase, 'swimming in the deep water'. They would maul and walk away. They would both scratch if it were competitive but if either had an advantage coming out of hold they would not scratch.
Rumor was the RBJ bottom half had a Lab wonder onto the yard. The female was bred to another bulldog and had pups. One of the 'straight RBJ' pups was raised and then bred to Midnight Jr. She was a buckskin bitch and had an entire litter of all solid black pups.
I have never thought any of it was intentional. I think it was an accident and it took that second breeding for it to come out in the wash. It happens. The worst part is the female gave it up before the male. The male had stopped a couple of well thought of bulldogs. If he had been an a yard that bred a lot of dogs he had more than likely did enough to be bred. Fortunately for all involved he landed on a yard that was 'match or bust' . He ended up being a walk away bust.
My Grandma use to tell us not to shake our family tree too hard, there is just no telling what might fall out. I'm guessing dogs no different.
EWO
Wow. I have heard the lab mix about a few dogs.
Very very interesting to know these things occur 1st hand I always thought that about a few I've seen .... just like that guy with the hulk dog trying to say he's pure apbt .. pure bullshit he's got Neapolitan mastiff in him 100 % that's why it's good to get something u like and cultivate it to your liking. That's exactly what I've tried to do with my hounds and if I see something that has that oooh aww effect then I'll try to coordinate a breeding with something of mine
LOL EWO, I like that quote from your grandma!
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