Fucking Avis that was it bro, shit was driving me crazy...I remember his (Avis') sire went in the ground, they could hear him screaming and whining faintly but he wouldn't come out, so on day 2 they took a back ho and dug about 15 ft down through limestone and earth to reach him. He was still in holds with whatever the fuck he had. If you remember this dogs name it would be greatly appreciated....Thanks brotha. Kilo