GAMENESS OR EGO ?

[ROCK-MACHINE]

I was watching some old video's of Ch Golden King's King 8XW, 1XGL ROM, the dog in his youth was an absolute monster. He was retired and was living as a 8 year old house dog when his owner decided to call out a prime killer in Gr Ch Atila's Dendy.

The match was set and King was conditioned to come in heavier then all his previous contests to meet Dendy's ideal pit weight. The match went as one would expect with King giving a good account of himself but losing game and then losing his life after the match.

I'm not taking anything away from Gr Ch Dendy or his camp, the dog was one of the all time greats and deserving of his level of fame.

Another example of this was a retired and 9 year old Big Apples Gr Ch Haunch who was living as a house dog being brought out to meet a prime Storm Trooper's Big Boy. Haunch took a God awful beating but at hour-forty three an out of hold's count was given to Big Boy where he stood the line and Haunch barley made it over to Big Boy where he took hold and won. Like King before him, Haunch died after the match.

A more recent example was that of Ch HMK's Ali Baba 8XW BIS, 1XL who had been brought out a total of 9 times (his match with Gold Day was a no contest as it was interrupted by someone yelling there was a raid) and was retired before being brought out at an older age to face a younger dog who was brought in especially to beat Ali Baba (sorry I can't for the life of me remember this dogs name, no disrespect meant for the dog or camp). In the end Ali Baba stood the line...

My question is it gameness being shown by the camp to give their dog every opportunity at further greatness doing what they love or is it more a case of ego before dog ?

[skip11]

Ego of owners imo. Even if they do brought them out again, should've pick em up if they're losing. The dogs deserve a good life after that many contests.

[EWO]

I would lean toward ego as at some point during 1 thru 8/9/10 the dog had done all he needed to do, all he should have had to do and done all that he came here to do. But the owner said, "Let's get one more".

Sometimes they go to the well one too many times.

EWO

[ROCK-MACHINE]

Ego is my thought as well. I feel that no one knows their dog better then the owner but as the owner he or she should know when to call No Mas and leave a dog enjoy their well earned retirement. These are living creatures and not machines, they only have so much to give.

[Black Hand]

You arent going to have a 8 timer with no ego in the first place. Probably wont have one if losing him is on your mind.

[ROCK-MACHINE]

Ego will always play a part in the game, it's human nature but it's when that ego takes front and center as it appears it did in the above examples. Again, no one knows their dog better then who owns and cares for him and sometimes the gamble, the risk pays off as it did for El' Titere in his last against Smokey......but to plays Devils advocate what if El Titere had lost his 8th and his life, then would it have been a case of ego before dog rather then the then owners of El' Titere showing to have the gameness necessary to let him go ?

[sam i am]

All ego I would have to say...

[EWO]

I was thinking the same but did not know how to get it into words.

It takes cod sack to get the first W and the amount of sack needed to do 7 or 8 is tremendous.

Making the call when 'enough is enough' has to be hard when ol' Spot looks like he has one more in him.


Ch. Angel won 3, planted all three, plus a couple en route to her first show. Her owner put her on the chain and she became a brood dog. I was thinking she had a few more in her and we actually urged him to keep going. He stuck to his guns and she never came back out.

If she were mine, we would have come back out, understanding there is a lot of difference between 3 and 8, but for some it is all about the show.

EWO

You arent going to have a 8 timer with no ego in the first place. Probably wont have one if losing him is on your mind.

[Black Hand]

Ego will always play a part in the game, it's human nature but it's when that ego takes front and center as it appears it did in the above examples. Again, no one knows their dog better then who owns and cares for him and sometimes the gamble, the risk pays off as it did for El' Titere in his last against Smokey......but to plays Devils advocate what if El Titere had lost his 8th and his life, then would it have been a case of ego before dog rather then the then owners of El' Titere showing to have the gameness necessary to let him go ?

Everyone's priorities are not the same. We can't allude to the loss of the animal or a loss on the record as being a devastating blow to owner just because it might be to you or myself. Everyone is operating within a different frame.of mind and coming from a different angle than you. What is tragic to me, might just be another part of the game to you. I don't think that has much to do with gameness or ego.

[ROCK-MACHINE]

Everyone's priorities are not the same. We can't allude to the loss of the animal or a loss on the record as being a devastating blow to owner just because it might be to you or myself. Everyone is operating within a different frame.of mind and coming from a different angle than you. What is tragic to me, might just be another part of the game to you. I don't think that has much to do with gameness or ego.

Well put.