BEST PRODUCER OF MODERN TIMES ?

[Frank43]

His confirmation is perfect to me.

[Moechief]

From what I'm told...This one is throwing much better than himself
http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum...p?dog_id=50894
there should be something said for the Borderline hounds that produce at a higher quality of performance than what they performed at along with the dogman that had the foresight and commitment to make higher quality hounds.

[Milehighmisfit]

Hammonds ‘ Park Son was a very good producer and is down from Rufus who was a hell of a producer especially when looking at percentages. I don’t believe Park Son was bred to an army of bitches like some other well known studs. Something to consider is the bitches the stud is bred too.Mr. Hammonds said a big part of Park Sons’ success was the super high quality bitches that were backed up to him. As GH put it, they were “custom bred bitches”. Some believe that Race Horse Haynes was throwing equally as well but wasn’t backed up to the same level of bitches.

[Milehighmisfit]

K

This topic is not my cup of tea as I never really got into the breeding of the dogs.

So I will go with the dogs I seen personally, not just read about. I doubt they will be 'Best of Modern Times' but they produced bulldogs.

Mims Spiffy ROM

Mim's/DTA's CH. Charlie. The best dog I have ever seen. Damn near perfect in every way. He would turn a 12-14' chain into a flying jenny by rubbing the dog chained next to him for as long as you chose to sit there. He was methodical and patient. He showed great finish. He won his first over a 2XW/2X OTC dog as a 2 week replacement. Then three more. Most complete dog I ever saw.

Produced a lot of winning Red Boy dogs when crossed onto the Snooty/Bolio dogs.


Patrick's Kasai....

Produced the only all game-all show dog litter I have ever seen when bred to a Red Boy/Outlaw female. Six puppies all proved to be match quality dogs. All went to the show with the exception of my Miss Petey female, collected one forfeit/paid one forfeit, and arguably the best of the litter.

When crossed to the Two Eyes/Panther blood produced Cornbread and Chloe. Cornbread being the most devastating dog I have ever seen. Simply loved competition. He actually would show disappointment if another came off the chain instead of him. Brutal dog. He made his mark here and then sold due to some financial issues. He went into a beehive of good dogs marching thru from one end to the other. His sister one once over an impressive camp with a great dog. She was rubbed in #2 and I lost her, 99% my ignorance and 1% of the sorry fucker that chose that route to a W.

Neither may crack the Top 25, but I think a person's individual "Top dogs" can create create conversation.

EWO

I appreciate you sharing personal experience about dogs you actually saw from your area. Most of the well know, big time studs are dogs that were open to the public and anyone with coin could breed to them. On the other hand you have studs that were super producers but never breed outside the yard or right circle and never received mainstream recognition.

[EWO]

Very true.

I never saw Red Boy or Jeep or Bolio or Machobuck or Buck or Capp, or any of the great producers/performers from yesteryear.


I try to only talk about what I have seen and on occasion I will repeat something from first hand (which usually gets the 2nd and third rendition going and by the facts are no longer a primary concern.

By only going off what I have seen it has kept me limited in a lot of ways. I'm one of those really dumb guys that have to see it to appreciate it. For that reason alone I have missed out on a lot of good dogs, simply weary of pulling the trigger (and cheap on top of that as well).

I wish I could talk CYJ into spending more time on the board. He is one of the last great links to yesteryear. He has seen and put his hands on the dogs 99% of the game read about and talk about. Not many can say that. This is a guy that has been in the same room with Snooty and said he looks like shit, you should pay up. He saw the great Molly Bee break a dogs muzzle in half. He could give you possibly the best account on the origins of Red Boy. He played a huge role in the great Hank dog, which led to to Jocko dog which led to one of the most important crosses in the history of the dogs.

That should be a primary topic of conversation. Things that someone has actually seen or done, not perpetuating the next great story.

Think about the last show you saw. Two guys in the box. Two dogs in the box. And a ref. Then there are 20-30 standing out side the box that and all of them have/had one that went up hill 10lbs on a 2XW, stopping him in 17 minutes with blood on the floor and guts on the wall. RIP of course.

One thing that I have learned in these dogs is that all the killers are at home on the night of the show, except for two!

EWO

[louch]

Rocky lll is put some good ones out

[Frank43]

I see your point now. speed kills

[STA8541]

Very true.

I never saw Red Boy or Jeep or Bolio or Machobuck or Buck or Capp, or any of the great producers/performers from yesteryear.


I try to only talk about what I have seen and on occasion I will repeat something from first hand (which usually gets the 2nd and third rendition going and by the facts are no longer a primary concern.

By only going off what I have seen it has kept me limited in a lot of ways. I'm one of those really dumb guys that have to see it to appreciate it. For that reason alone I have missed out on a lot of good dogs, simply weary of pulling the trigger (and cheap on top of that as well).

I wish I could talk CYJ into spending more time on the board. He is one of the last great links to yesteryear. He has seen and put his hands on the dogs 99% of the game read about and talk about. Not many can say that. This is a guy that has been in the same room with Snooty and said he looks like shit, you should pay up. He saw the great Molly Bee break a dogs muzzle in half. He could give you possibly the best account on the origins of Red Boy. He played a huge role in the great Hank dog, which led to to Jocko dog which led to one of the most important crosses in the history of the dogs.

That should be a primary topic of conversation. Things that someone has actually seen or done, not perpetuating the next great story.

Think about the last show you saw. Two guys in the box. Two dogs in the box. And a ref. Then there are 20-30 standing out side the box that and all of them have/had one that went up hill 10lbs on a 2XW, stopping him in 17 minutes with blood on the floor and guts on the wall. RIP of course.

One thing that I have learned in these dogs is that all the killers are at home on the night of the show, except for two!

EWO

Great post.

[ROCK-MACHINE]

Gr Ch El Titere has 5 champions now and a slew of very young dogs in very capable hands coming up both in the U.S., Mexico and abroad.

[ROCK-MACHINE]

CH RAMPAGE'S UA SHIP 3XW BIS ROM who had limited breedings is another good producer.

CH DDY & RAMPAGE'S UA SHU 4XW GIS DOY
CH DDY & RAMPAGE'S UA & BIG SNAKE'S BURYA 3XW
CH EBK'S (RAMPAGE'S UA) SONYA KILL 3XW
CH DDY & RAMPAGE'S UA SPARTA 3XW
EBK'S (UDV & RAMPAGE'S UA) GRIZZLY BEAR 2XW BIS
RAMPAGE UA & DDY'S JACARE 2XW
EBK & MARIN'S (UDV&RAMPAGE'S UA) HYENA 2XW1XL
FREEDOM & RAMPAGE UA & DDY'S MOONSON 1XW
DDY & RAMPAGE'S UA VIHR 1XW
RAMPAGE'S UA&DDY&BIG SNAKE'S&CHERKESS'S KHAL 1XW B.I.S.
SN STRIKE'S (RAMPAGE'S UA) ZOMBIE 1XW B.I.S.
EBK&MARIN'S (RAMPAGE'S UA) PULI 1XW B.I.S. 1XL
RAMPAGE'S UA & DDY'S NITROGUN 1XW (3h 45 min) RIP