How & why to outcross?

[Officially Retired]

This is a very good thread. I just recently did a outcross in hopes of adding in more bottom on consistancy, along with having more high strung, game dogs. Although the stud is proven and very talented animal, i only expect him to produce the average of his genetic make-up which is below average. My question is... With using 2 heavily linebred/inbred dog of different anciestry, does that actually increase the chances of success or the opposite??
http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/pu ... _id=406531

It really depends on the dogs used, and (unfortunately) there is no 100% way to predict what is going to happen. If we could hit a Grand Slam with every outcross we'd all be rich

Certainly, there have been some Grand Slam outcrosses, with game-changing results: the Chavis' Ch Yellow John/Miss Jocko breeding, the Yellow/Dolly breeding, etc. The trouble is, most outcrosses are not so successful :cry:

I do believe that if you're using two super-clean-bred specimens, of excellent ancestry and high-percentage overall quality, with lines the are known for having traits which complement the other, that your chances are excellent of achieving a reasonable set of breeding goals ... but whether you'll hit a Grand Slam or not depends on a little luck too 8-)

Jack

[STONEWALL]

This is a very good thread. I just recently did a outcross in hopes of adding in more bottom on consistancy, along with having more high strung, game dogs. Although the stud is proven and very talented animal, i only expect him to produce the average of his genetic make-up which is below average. My question is... With using 2 heavily linebred/inbred dog of different anciestry, does that actually increase the chances of success or the opposite??
http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/pu ... _id=406531

It all depends on the genetic make up of the animals used in the breeding. Based on what you've stated about the stud that you bred to, your chances of success sound slim. If he is inbred from below average genetics thats what he is going to contribute.

[PurePit19]

Well i know i stated that he's from below average gene pool, i mean the lonzo line as a hole. The line does not have a high percentage production rate as far as performance goes. But the line does through intensity, durability, strength and mouth...which my stud does have along with traits the line is not so known for, such as, smarts and the ability to pace himself. My concern or what im trying to weed out are some of the common traits the lonzo line is typically known for that are negative.

[Officially Retired]

Does your male come from a good litter?

[PurePit19]

From what ive heard, his litter turned out pretty good. But i haven't seen any of them first hand.

[Officially Retired]

Well, if the information is credible, then there's a reasonable shot.

The bottomside is bred real strong on dogs more active today, and while the topside may not be as mainstream, that doesn't mean it isn't good. If you're pleased with that male there's a good shot at getting something nice.

Each breeding is unique and there's no way to know unless you do it. If It does work out nicely, in a large percentage, what do you plan to do with the pups that are exactly what you'd hoped for?

Jack

[PurePit19]

Ill say this, hes the only dog i have that would never ever have a price tag. Id be a homeless man with a dog. Lol.
i will build off the exceptional ones, and hopefully incorporate the Crew's Rocky blood that i have into it. I have 4 dogs that i am currently using in my little program.
http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/mo ... edigrees=1
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and I'm waiting on this prospect to start working this year. So if he and the bitch from the lonzo/nico Jr breeding prove worthy, i should have something to really work with.
http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/mo ... edigrees=1
Time will tell, and i have pretty good patience.

[Officially Retired]

Well, if that is the way you feel, then you need to go with the way you feel, and what you've seen, and that's it. Whether your opinions pan-out as valid or not will be revealed in time. I felt that way about the quality of Poncho and Missy, and even the quality of the Hollingsworth dogs before that ... and there were a lot of people who scoffed at my ideas ... yet, over time, I passed every single one of the "nay-sayers" up with the family I built up off of these dogs, by sticking to my guns and preserving/developing what I saw in these dogs.

If you feel that passionate about how good this dog of yours is, then that is the fuel that will keep your efforts alive and going, so good luck!

[PurePit19]

Thanks alot, Jack. The pups are on the ground so I'll find out soon enough, I definitely appreciate all the feedback.

[apeman]

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