[QUOTE=bossman311;49126]Facts he wasn't waiting, hell the most famous breeding of all time was a young black dog bred to a 8 month old gyp Eli x Spook. 2 young unproven dogs bred together and Jerry chose Eli strictly off color lol. If you ever talk to Mitch Kemmer and he give you the history of dogs that they bred and his father was known as a hardcore dogman. They bred them young as well and they kept them and went through him. Hell he would say how floyd bred them young all the time and even bred the curs lol. Nobody cares if it turns out good.