hehe we hardly ever use the word pound, only on the market.
by the way, how long do you think it takes for mouth to fully recover when overworked. i think a dog i recently picked up was put on the spring pole way to much.
hehe we hardly ever use the word pound, only on the market.
by the way, how long do you think it takes for mouth to fully recover when overworked. i think a dog i recently picked up was put on the spring pole way to much.
It depends how long and how often the dog was worked on the spring pole. From my experience, if I worked a dog for 30-45 minutes 3x a week, for a 6 week keep, and stop 1 week before show, the dog wouldn't recover in time. It would take a dog at least 3 weeks to recover with no mouth work. You also have to realize that even after he's done working the hide 3 weeks out and finish his keep on the mill, which also play a part in putting extra work on his mouth from just blowing out air, will slow down the healing process. So once I realized how much straining a spring pole could do to my dogs mouth, but also know how important it is for them to be on it too, I will only let them work on it 10-15 minutes 2-3x a week during the off season(when they're not in a keep) Once they are locked and put on a keep, id stop using the spring pole. Ever since I started this strategy my dogs showed more mouth and kept their holds longer than before when I used to use a spring pole in their keeps.
Thank you for saving me the time to find out. Think its a good way, the dog sure won't lose all benefits from working the pole in 8 weeks time.
It also tells me a little more about some dog iv seen recently
Ultimately, dogs are different. I use the springpole throughout my keeps, if a dog will use them, and I've never lost any mouth. A hard biting dog brought at the correct weight, properly fed and rested is going to bite hard regardless of what you do with the dog. Franklin got a carpetmill, a slat, springpole, and flirtpole work everyday he was worked in a keep. He didn't lose anything in any department. If a dog will actively work all 6 apparatus that I use in a keep, they will get all 6. Maybe they won't get all 6 everyday, but they will get all 6 on a regular basis.
Keeps come down to man's understanding of the dog, the dog's willingness to work, and the man's ability to know when the dog is completely ready to work and when it isn't.
Very good point. After every keep, one should know more about what worked and what didn't with that certain dog. It's also a + to have a good eye and the willingness to learn more from both conditioner and dog. To be successful one has to try something new or figure out a way to over come his dogs weakness.Originally Posted by FrostyPaws
It depends on the dog. Each of them can be a little different than the next. It is best to have a general plan based on knowing the individual dog. I try to keep the dog on or at below his ideal weight throughout the entire process. My attempt is to have the dog no more than one pound over or one pound under from beginning to end. After a hard work out the dog can drop as much as 2-3 pounds. If this weight loss effects his strength in a negative passion then I more than likely should have picked his weight one pound higher and started from there. Until one has the 'eye' it is safe to do a practice run on the dog to see where ideal working weight is for that dog. Missing he weight low means he will be even lower after an hour of hard work. Meaning the mouth will as well body strength will fade as time goes on, an odds are not where it should have been from the beginning. Come in over and the mouth will be there for a short period but carrying the extra weight will also have adverse effects. Meaning an overweight dog will fade as well, in both mouth and body strength. I have no real data on his but I believe a dog that is on his weight and in shape will better one that had his weight missed or picked incorrectly. Or, if it is a close decision the one that started off with the better show weight choice will last. EWO
Would Mike Tyson lose his knock out punch if he came in at 150 lb.or 175 .you betcha .
The last line speaks volumes. Pretty much answers a boat load of questions. EWO
I am talking about the wght
Agreed. If a dog is perfect at 42 and someone brings him in at 40 I would say the dog, as well as his mouth, would not be the same, especially over time. EWO
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