True, well said. EWO
True, well said. EWO
Great post Jack... S_B the ole timers I know always spoke of a 3 way cross... ie Jeep/Redboy/Rascal
Thanks.Originally Posted by BlackFootKennels
Did you know there are more winning (and higher-level winning) straight Jeep/Rascal dogs without the Redboy ...
Jack
It is like Zebo/Honeybunch. Both great dogs. Both ROM producers (Honeybunch at the top of the heap of all bitches).
Yet, bred together, they didn't get squat.
In hindsight, knowing what I know, had someone taken the best-built, nicest bitch back to Zebo ... and the best-built, nicest male back to Honeybunch, I would (again) bet a million dollars to a penny that then they would have gotten the "world beaters" they all dreamed about
Gr Ch Zebo (7xW, ROM) was himself yet another highly-inbred, Champion-destroying animal (58% at 13 generations), and going out to Honey, and then back into himself, would surely have produced some awesome, inbred Zebo stock ... that would have nicked better with the Jeep/Otis/Honeybunch stock than the first effort did.
Jack
I beg to differ...Jeep/Redboy dogs far out number straight Jeep/Rascal crosses minus the Redboy.
They both were great crosses Redboy being bred from the Colby stuff just like Bo's side of Jeep. And Rascal playing toward Honeybunch's side of the pedigree. In fact Bo was inbred on Colby's Dime, Redboy's grandfather.
I'm no pedigree wizard but those three individuals (Jeep/Redboy/Rascal) being bred together was no mistake. The best to ever cross the scratch line imo.
S_B
P.S. A good number of the winningest dogs were in the hands of the most accomplished dogmen. That makes all the difference in the world.
Last edited by S_B; 02-01-2015 at 03:29 PM.
Do you also know that anyone can tell you how a dog is bred and not be true. Also in my part of the woods, it's hard to get anything without redboy. I have the old trim moody/wee hunt/honeybunch dogs from Irish Jerry and the supposedly jeep/rascal/no redboy dogs. They all have produced buckskin red nose dogs. Which is why I starting buying the tab/Amber stock which then led me to the paladin/Virgil stock. I can give you a black redboy dog and tell you it's Eli stock...
True. The Mountain Man once said the only way to tell how a dog is bred is to win three or four and someone will always come out of the woodwork and know how he is 'really' bred. EWO
You don't have to beg to differ, it's okay to just differ
I am not talking "volume" of breedings made I am talking altitude of achievements ...
You're talking apples and oranges.
I am talking about the original Jeep/Rascal dogs and people who won with those dogs.
You're talking a later era, long after the Redboy crosses were made.
I realize some people claim dogs are bred differently, as long as you realize not everyone does.
Jack
You don't have to beg to differ, it's okay to just differ
I am not talking "volume" of breedings made I am talking altitude of achievements ...
Ok Jack!
Well I knew you weren't speaking volume, and after I re-read what I posted I realize it sounded as though that's what I was saying.
There are many highly accomplished Jeep/Redboy crosses I will post them as I get time.
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