And people wonder why our dogs gets a bad reputation...

[QCKLime]

This may seem like a dumb question, but every time I see an APBT doing shutzhund work, it always makes me wonder if you couldn't train a dog to have a particular style -- just like these morons have obviously trained this dog to attack the face rather than an arm or a leg sleeve. I have a very good friend who trains GSDs for shutzhund (and border collies for herding, and just trains in general) and he can practically put the dog wherever he wants him. It's always made me a little curious, say if you have a leg dog and hate the style, if you could "re-train" them to become a throat dog through some of the same practices shutzhund people use. I realize it's a little different, when a dog is in a hunting mindset he'll likely go where he's most comfortable at some point, but I always thought it was worth looking into.

[Officially Retired]

This may seem like a dumb question, but every time I see an APBT doing shutzhund work, it always makes me wonder if you couldn't train a dog to have a particular style -- just like these morons have obviously trained this dog to attack the face rather than an arm or a leg sleeve. I have a very good friend who trains GSDs for shutzhund (and border collies for herding, and just trains in general) and he can practically put the dog wherever he wants him. It's always made me a little curious, say if you have a leg dog and hate the style, if you could "re-train" them to become a throat dog through some of the same practices shutzhund people use. I realize it's a little different, when a dog is in a hunting mindset he'll likely go where he's most comfortable at some point, but I always thought it was worth looking into.

I understand what you are saying, and I agree that (through training) abilities can be improved ... but only up to the genetic limit of the individual's potential.

Which means, at the end of the day, there is just no substitute for a natural IMO.

Jack

[wrknapbt]

This may seem like a dumb question, but every time I see an APBT doing shutzhund work, it always makes me wonder if you couldn't train a dog to have a particular style -- just like these morons have obviously trained this dog to attack the face rather than an arm or a leg sleeve. I have a very good friend who trains GSDs for shutzhund (and border collies for herding, and just trains in general) and he can practically put the dog wherever he wants him. It's always made me a little curious, say if you have a leg dog and hate the style, if you could "re-train" them to become a throat dog through some of the same practices shutzhund people use. I realize it's a little different, when a dog is in a hunting mindset he'll likely go where he's most comfortable at some point, but I always thought it was worth looking into.

Not a dumb question at all. We call it target training. We teach the dog to target any area we want by using a tie out and only presenting that area. Once on the grip the fight begins and the animal is allowed to win the fight which makes the dog target that area more and more and more.

In schutzhund the dog is only allowed to bit the sleeve while on the back tie/long line, in French Ring we only allow lower body bites, but in Protection Sports of America ( PSA ) the dog is taught to take the grip on the bicep area closer to the chest and let me tell you even when in a padded bite suit you can still come away with some marks.



The Above bite came from this little 46 pounds male



http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com...?dog_id=244841

I love what I do with these dogs but that mess those guys are doing is just plain ol nuts