THE IMPORTANCE OF A BOND BETWEEN MAN & DOG (Yes / No)

[Dogman]

I dont know how to quote so I will answer your questions accordingly.


The humans who cant comprehend and control there emotions are in a mental institute or in Jail. Not sure what that reply had to do with what I said, either you aint reading my post good or you just aint getting what I am trying to say.


Expert Coaches and athletes, they are talking about HUMANS and NOT dogs/animals. Unless you are comparing a dogs intelligence to that of humans? If so that is so absurd and sounds like one of them AR comprehension right there.


Yeah maybe I worded it wrong but I am sure the majority of the people that read it understood what I was trying to say. Let me clarify it more for those who did NOT understand it, calling the right weight and feeding good feed is scientific facts that actually help and enhance the dogs physical performance but its still a intangible because it does not mean the dog will win or succeed in his particular task.Get it now?

Lazy mans bond? If you work 8-12hrs a day 5-6 days a week and you have 20-30 dogs , how much time can you spend bonding with each dog?

In many cases sleeping with that man are you serious?

[skipper]

For me it comes easy. I just love dogs, and spending time with dogs. Not bonding isn't a possibility if you're standing on my yard. If it has something to do with success, I have to say yes. Some dogs are just insane and super confident in every situation. you could have Ronald Mcdonald handle him. But some dogs gain massively from a great bond with their owner. Jmho I think it's positive for all dogs. Even if it´s just very little for some.

[Officially Retired]

For me it comes easy. I just love dogs, and spending time with dogs. Not bonding isn't a possibility if you're standing on my yard. If it has something to do with success, I have to say yes. Some dogs are just insane and super confident in every situation. you could have Ronald Mcdonald handle him. But some dogs gain massively from a great bond with their owner. Jmho I think it's positive for all dogs. Even if it´s just very little for some.

I like reading your opinions and views on just about everything, Skipper, and this here is no exception.

Jack

[Officially Retired]

it depends on how close of a bond u have. will a bond make a dog scratch sometimes i beleive in certain dogs yes. what i beleive a bond can definitely do is make the dog fight harder and help in times of need i beleive a bond can can help in a situation of your dog being on the bottom and him seeing u there and you are talking him through it and get him to his feet a bond will also help relax certain dogs in those situations so they do not panic. believe me my dog no know and trust me and they definitely form trust in their owners and that trust can and does help them through situations

Very good points here.

Again, I reiterate that having a bond with a dog will never hurt it ... it will almost invariably help it "somewhat" ... and, in a few cases, it will prove vital.

Really, IMO forming a bond with a dog is part of a dogman's job ... and those dogmen who refuse (or can't be bothered with) forming a bond with their dogs either 1) don't really like dogs that much or 2) are afraid to get their own feelings hurt, if the dog doesn't make the grade genetically.

However, in a real bulldog, having that extra "cherry on top" of having the dog also be socialized and totally in-tune with the owner, is the cutting edge between "dog user" and dog man ... a dog man loves his dogs, he enjoys spending that extra time with them, and he demonstrates this love of his dogs by trying to get close to them, so that they're a team in there. By contrast, a dog user is essentially a person who conditions dogs to be in top shape, and he bets on the outcome of his deals, but (either through disregard or fear of disappointment) he will neither put in the extra time to develop a bond nor will he allow himself to get close to the dog as an individual. So he will simply use his dogs for their intended purpose, but never try to take it beyond that.

Jack

PS: I also notice that, as of this writing, it's a landslide where 21 people either think a bond is vital (or has some bearing) on success, whereas only 3 do not. That is a 7-1 ratio so far.

[skipper]

I like reading your opinions and views on just about everything, Skipper, and this here is no exception.

Jack

Thank you Sir!

[bolero]

jack i feel that some people dont form a dond because they are not man enought to admit they will actually see th dog as more than livestock and are afraid of having an emotional attachment with there dogs because they might end up actually giving a shit.

[Officially Retired]

So far it's a landslide ... 24-3 (8-1 or 89%) believe that a forming a bond with your dog has at least some effect on success ...

Jack

PS: I agree with you Bolero. The rest are simply incapable of giving a shit.

[FrostyPaws]

I guess I'll finally get in this conversation for a piece or two.

First I'd like to say that bonds are not VITAL to success. As I've said many times, I do think they can play a part in a small number of dogs, but overall, it's not vital to success.

I would like to say that I know, over the years, there have been some dogs I've bonded with, but there have been countless others I have not. I can't sit here and honestly say that I've ever felt like it made a difference or not. So this nonsense about not being man enough along with whatever other hogwash was said in that particular vein is just that, nonsense. I've cried over dogs that have never won when they died. I've cried over dogs that did win and passed on. Hell, I've cried at pretty much everything at one point or another, because I'm the exact opposite of what bolero says. I'm about the most emotional person I know in regards to most everything.

I will only talk about what I've seen personally. I've known a lot of men in my time in dogs that never developed any kind of bond with their dogs aside from whatever is formed by feeding/taking care of them. One of the owners of Hunter Red never did anything for his dogs but feed, work, and put them back out. His litters of pups were born on the chain spot. The dogs were a means to an end. He won a lot more than he lost. He bred some dogs that went on to form their own line of dogs, and he is but one example of many I can think of that didn't go out of their way to form any bond, and it was never vital to his success.

Most of the dogs I've used over the years are such nutters that bonds simply aren't something you form with them. You could spend all day, every day, with Smiley and she wouldn't care who you were when it came time to do her thing. I know because I did, and she won without me being there with someone she barely knew. Maybe it's the type of dog I have; I don't know. I have never seen a bond make a dog scratch when it normally wouldn't have. I've seen men use their house dogs, hell, I saw one man use his SON'S dog, with his son there, and it made zero difference.

I certainly don't fault someone who attempts to do everything within their power to have an edge, I just have never seen that type of "edge" factor into play. Or maybe it did factor in and no one knew. Either way, it made no difference in the outcome of the contest.

One time, many years ago, I owned a dog that wouldn't do anything in a box without me being there. She wouldn't start; she wouldn't run; she wouldn't do anything. She was a one owner dog, and I was the one owner. In the end, she still quit in under 40 minutes.

So yes, bonds are an intangible thing that are hard to quantify so there's no way to accurately say, in fact, that it helps at all. I disagree with the pole in that it's vital to success, as I stated earlier, when it's simply not vital at all.

[bolero]

frosty i said some it was not a blanket statement. and i also do not think u need to sleep or cuddle with a dog to dond with it i actually beleive giving the dog everything it needs to to thrive as in good food good housing clean water and good exercise is all that is needed to bond with a dog simply taking a walk with the dog is bonding no need for talking or anything dogs can sense when someone genuinely has there best interest at heart. but another fact is that many dogmen including the ones that most love and including a man i highly respect to a point tend to look at these dogs as livestock and nothing more they are simply there to fight and i know of some ppl that have shot a dog because it stepped in crap and then jumped on them to me that is ridiculous and cruel and i have said as much to that man. so whle some care about these dogs for what they are some only care what they can do and when they can no longer do that they dont care about them

[FrostyPaws]

My bad for showing my lack of reading skills today, Bolero.