Vise Grip's (Johnson) Goddess

[redmistkennel]

Nice to see you joined townbizz.Lots of good info on here.

Good info is where you find it! It's just a matter of keeping an open mind! Narrow minds will get you nowhere!!!

Much repect to Jack for making this board available!!!

I agree completely.That is why I enjoy the ofrn forum so much.Full of good info.

[Officially Retired]

We were also told that Red Legacy was a "game-tested" bitch by Schumard, and after I got her back to my place and let her acclimate fully to me, she wouldn't even defend herself when I looked at her: just laid on her back, pulling her head away, and pushing "out" with her legs.

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/mo ... g_id=99718
I guess there were 3 breedings done with Legacy while she was in your possesion....my question is why would you use her in the first place of she didn't do anything for you? I definitely wouldn't have if I got the results that you seen? Just wondering...

Two breedings were done, the other was a proposed breeding.

As to why breed her at all, fair question, and the answer is because I know sometimes cold bitches produce. I figured we had her, may as well see if something might come of it. If she would have started, and then quit, I would not have ... but she never did anything. So I gave her breeder the benefit of the doubt.

But when the son of the male quit in :15, I thought, "What am I wasting my time with this stuff for?"

Jack

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[TownBizz]

That's fair! I know all things don't work out but I respect that you at least gave the breeder the benefit of the doubt! We've corresponded on the situation before on peds online...my old username on there is norcalreds. I'm glad that you clarified. Some people read posts with a narrow mind and there imaginations run wild!

Happy New Year!

[SOULDOG]

YEP Some work and some don't.
http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/mo ... _id=150222

[MISTER]

This one is a 3x 1xgl

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/pu ... g_id=89340

[Officially Retired]

This one is a 3x 1xgl
http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/pu ... g_id=89340

Did you personally see that one go Bobby?

[MISTER]

This isn't bobby. I have seen him go once and got robbed by the cops trying to see the 3rd. They ended up doing it @ another spot, but we cut our losses and went the hell home. I also seen his ass get spanked in a 20 min roll not long before he was sold. And he was giving up wt. Had a couple off him that flat out quit also. Did see his son go into crash's new owners though. I think the blkchef still has crash. I forget the sons name. He had his dogs all kind of military names. Could never understand it.

[Officially Retired]

This isn't bobby. I have seen him go once and got robbed by the cops trying to see the 3rd. They ended up doing it @ another spot, but we cut our losses and went the hell home. I also seen his ass get spanked in a 20 min roll not long before he was sold. And he was giving up wt. Had a couple off him that flat out quit also. Did see his son go into crash's new owners though. I think the blkchef still has crash. I forget the sons name. He had his dogs all kind of military names. Could never understand it.

Getting one's ass kicked spotting weight is what is supposed to happen.

At his best, even weight did you think he was a good dog?

[MISTER]

Crash was the bigger dog. He should have @ least been holding the other one out, since he had previously displayed great D.

I thought he was a good dog. Great dog, no. I heard from someone that saw his L that he would have won had the owner not picked him up. The other could not continue. Something could be said about the comp he faced. More gamblers than dogmen.

[Officially Retired]

Crash was the bigger dog. He should have @ least been holding the other one out, since he had previously displayed great D.
I thought he was a good dog. Great dog, no. I heard from someone that saw his L that he would have won had the owner not picked him up. The other could not continue. Something could be said about the comp he faced. More gamblers than dogmen.

Damn, if Crash was the bigger dog and was getting whipped by a smaller dog, then either that was a great smaller dog, or Crash wasn't much of a dog himself.

All I know is that his brother Diablo was stunningly beautiful, but had zero ability and almost zero gameness.

Maybe Crash was a decent dog (he sure was pretty too), but I'd have to see it to believe he was really a good dog--that is why I asked for your opinion, thanks.