Any ways to prevent heat without influencing performance?

[R2L]

I didn't try so start joking, i had just read the exact same answer you gave in another tread. That's why i tried to cover the most sensible manner and make it just a topic about potential other ways.

Im not ignoring the most obvious of solutions. No doubt that i would write down the heat cycles of my bitches. But It's not of interest to all people on the board what is the exact situation here.

Im just exploring the possibilities. Just like when you first find out it is not the right thing to do, i have to find out or hear it one day. But despite the senseless discussion your opinion seems very clear, i believe if there was anything else u could do you would know.

no hard feelings

[R2L]

I heard when you training a bitch, it can take a little longer for her to get into heat. Then as soon the show is over she will get into heat.

Fable or truth?

[Officially Retired]

Nah, no hard feelings

It is only natural to explore possibilities, and (in many cases) that is how innovation and great things happen. However, in this case, it is usually how problems happen. Actually, if you look up the side-effects of medroxyprogesterone, pretty much every one of them has to do with dementia, confusion, and basically feeling like shit, so I can't see that as a "plus" for any keep with the main goal being optimal bitch performance

Sometimes the way we see the "problem" is the problem

There really is nothing wrong with bitches coming in heat, so (really) nothing needs to be "fixed" in this bitch by chemicals or drugs ... the only thing that needs work is the perspective on how to handle this normal issue

Oh, and actually, the joke about bitches is that they will come in heat only if you hook them

On a more serious note, as a breeder, one of the best computer software programs to have installed on your computer is Microsoft Excel. I always had a spreadsheet of my bitches noting when each came in heat, and (after awhile) I could see a pattern develop on each. If I was seriously matching dogs, I would keep the same spreadsheet to know where I'm at with each bitch, not for breeding purposes but for hooking purposes. Another thing you can do is roll your bitches when in heat to see how they behave. I have had some bitches that would fight just as hard in heat as not in heat. I had some that would fight, but would act squirrely, and I had others that either wouldn't fight or who would push their asses at the other bitches.

All of this is just part of educating yourself as to your unique, individual dogs

If "most bitches" come in heat every 6 months, this has no bearing on me if MY bitch comes in heat every 10 months. If "most bitches" won't fight when they're in heat, this has nothing to do with my situation if MY bitch will fight her ass off in heat, etc.

The simple truth is you know nothing about this bitch, and (apparently) whoever owns her has no real understanding of these things either (i.e., is a half-ass). The game is filled with ignorant folks with good dogs ... who generally lose them as quick as they discover them ... because they really know nothing about dogs. So, honestly, if you really want to rise above that (low) level, then really taking notes on each of your dogs, and knowing everything about them, will put you far ahead of the average palooka ... who throws food at his dogs every day, rolls them on the weekend, but has no real knowledge about them beyond that.

Jack

[Officially Retired]

PS: I got your PM, check yours, and good luck

[R2L]

Oh, and actually, the joke about bitches is that they will come in heat only if you hook them

Is that something like the bus comes when u light up a cigarette or?

Good post, you're right.
I've looked up medroxyprogesterone aswell but couldn't find anything it does with the hormones. More like it breaks/blocks the ovulation and prevents semen from entering the uterus. It can/will stop the bitch from coming into heat, but in most cases only after 6 months. Side effects, sometimes "feeling weak". But that's to much of a risk indeed.

I guess there are no further options

thanks for the PM

[Officially Retired]

Side Effects:

• sudden numbness or weakness, especially on one side of the body;

• sudden headache, confusion, problems with vision, speech, or balance;

• chest pain, sudden cough, wheezing, rapid breathing, fast heart rate;

• pain or swelling in one or both legs;

• chest pain or heavy feeling, pain spreading to the arm or shoulder, nausea, sweating, general ill feeling;

• feeling like you might pass out;

• a breast lump;

• symptoms of depression (sleep problems, dizziness, mood changes, headache);

• fever;

• jaundice (yellowing of the skin or eyes); or

• swelling in your hands, ankles, or feet.

None of these possible side effects would appear to "enhance performance" ... so, if you lost, would it be your bitch's fault?
Would you be wondering "what if" ... ?

Seems like to me it would be a lot simpler, and more sensible, just to match a bitch when she's not going to be in heat ... than it would be to spend money giving this shit to a performance bitch with the insane idea of "optimizing her" for winning

Jack

[R2L]

Hehe these are seldom side effects, like with every medicine. But i have to totally agree

[skipper]

I'd just wait until she comes in heat and then get her weight out there.

[R2L]

new question

If i know by the date of birth of a litter, she started her heat 20 months before she started her last heat . And i know she had 3 heats after giving birth. Can i suggest that she has an average of 6,6 months in between the cycles?

Or would the first heat after giving birth take much longer then a regular cycle?

Thanks

[evolutionkennels]

Just hook.. If she comes in pay ff. What's complicated about that.