Ch.Lotto Gis being the last
Ch.Lotto Gis being the last
LC is NOT CL for starters.
Secondly, DOY has always been a subjective award given by an editor of some publication. Kelly did it when the SDJ was up and running. There's no consensus taken. Simply one man's opinion.
Very true.
Sounds impressive.
Well its kind of hard to argue with the choices. Chicos dogs have won sdj doy 4 years in a row. ch carmela soprano 2010, gr ch chilindrina 2011, gr ch copperhead 2012 and now ch siega 2013. Siega beat the almost unbeatable ch dentista for her championship. There will always be controversy on the choices as its one persons opinion. But to say the dogs given the title aren't worthy is just hating. Records speak for themselves. I have no agenda, nor am i close to chico but i believe to give credit when credit is due.
Originally Posted by skipper
I am not sure what "almost unbeatable" means. (I have a feeling it means nothing.)
The truth is, every undefeated Champion = unbeaten.
Therefore, what makes a win over the previously-unbeaten Ch Dentista any more valuable as a win over 2 previously-unbeaten Champions?
I must admit, I can't stand Chico, but I have no problem giving credit where it's due (if it's due).
The trouble I am having is justifying what makes a 3xW (who beat 1 Champion) a more worthy candidate than a 6xW (who beat 2 Champions)?
I understand that "public perception" might be one Champion was more "highly-regarded" than another (again, whatever that means), but on sheer numbers and statistics I don't see the justification.
Jack
You're right it means nothing. I saw dentistas shows. Only on video but she was a super impressive bitch. wasted no energy, smart, calculating, controlled dogs by the face and when she went for the kill oh boy she went for it. I can't see many dogs beat her therefore the term. I'm not arguing if she is worthy or not. Thats not for me to decide, im just saying she did something most people didn't think she would. How about gr ch kid? Beat one gr ch, 2 ch's a 2xw.
What about GR CH Tango or GR CH Old School??
Chico over Pera any day. They won't move a mile out of their small country. Wanted to go into kid myself but its only their yard, their 50 spectators with camera's, their judges and their silly rules. I think numbers for wins and titles doesn't always tell all that much and in this sport its hard for an author to get to know details about each specific dog or its wins. I wouldn't worry that much who won and who did not. What you can do is try to proof them wrong
Are you referring to me, Nut?
You might recall that I have evaluated and put out quite a few good dogs over the years, which is why people have bought my books ... and which is why you always come to me in private with your hat in your hand seeking help with "this and that."
The only opportunity I ever had to "proof (prove) Chico wrong" is when Silverback's half brother Ch Vengence spotted Chico 2 lb of weight, yet (despite a rough start due to the weight disadvantage) still broke his dog's windpipe and stopped his ass in 1:20.
Other than that our dogs have never crossed paths, but I am quite satisfied with the result when they did.
Jack
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