Originally Posted by Nut
You are probably right.
In anything you want to talk about, there could be misrepresentation.
Sure, sometimes people lie (or don't know what they're looking at).
However, strictly-speaking, a dog CAN be picked up "game" (willing to continue) at any point in time ...
However, whether that actually means something of value is a whole other deal
I think we can both agree on that
We agree, except that there is a difference between "what you" consider to be (I assume, proven-) game ... and a dog merely being picked up "game" (as in "still willing" at the point of pick up).
Ultimately, the term "proven game" is a subjective assessment on any dog that is picked up.
Ultimately, there is room for error in trying to make any kind of "permanent" assessment of a living animal
Too many future variables are possible, and so to try to make any kind of extreme permanent assessment, based on a past performance, is ultimately absurd.
Therefore, we can only speak with authority on the past performance, and we can only do so based on facts.
A dog "having run a scratch," and making contact after pick-up, is an objective fact that the dog was still willing to scratch at the point of pick-up, on that contest.
It doesn't mean the dog is "permanently game" ... there simply is no way to determine such a thing, based on a past performance, regardless of what time or what was done
It only means the dog didn't just stand there, he went over, and in doing so expressed willingness to continue at the point of pickup.
Jack
> EDITED
When I use the word “game” I'm not using the literal meaning of the word. If that's the case, then picking a dog up in 10 minutes without anything wrong with it physically is picked up game. And that would be simply because it scratched over.We agree, except that there is a difference between "what you" consider to be (I assume, proven-) game ... and a dog merely being picked up "game" (as in "still willing" at the point of pick up).
Ultimately, the term "proven game" is a subjective assessment on any dog that is picked up.
Ultimately, there is room for error in trying to make any kind of "permanent" assessment of a living animal
Too many future variables are possible, and so to try to make any kind of extreme permanent assessment, based on a past performance, is ultimately absurd.
Therefore, we can only speak with authority on the past performance, and we can only do so based on facts.
A dog "having run a scratch," and making contact after pick-up, is an objective fact that the dog was still willing to scratch at the point of pick-up, on that contest.
It doesn't mean the dog is "permanently game" ... there simply is no way to determine such a thing, based on a past performance, regardless of what time or what was done
It only means the dog didn't just stand there, he went over, and in doing so expressed willingness to continue at the point of pickup.
Jack
> EDITED
If I'm to look at it that way, then every dog I've ever picked up during schooling, that didn't quit, was picked up game. No. Not at my house, literal meaning or not. Being game means more, TO ME, than the simply willingness to continue at any juncture.
Again, I believe two things are being confused: 1) the mindset of the dog "at the time he was picked up," versus 2) the permanent state of the dog "being game," for sure.
You are trying to attribute #2 in the place of #1.
The statement "a dog was picked up game" is not #2; it relates to #1.
He was picked up and was still willing to go at that time ... it does not mean (and never was intended to mean) "the dog is a for-sure-game animal, under any circumstance."
It was merely picked up at X time, still wanting to go, in this contest.
Jack
And that is about how I would look at it, and word it, right there. I wouldn't stick the word "game" in there as I simply save that for dogs that fit what I define as game for my own yard. I don't have a separation of the two.
"game' has a lot of interpretations. I have always used the word 'willing' as well. "Willing" simply means 'willing' it has nothing to do with the circumstances. Basically when one is picked up and is willing, he has been picked up game. The only thing absolute about that situation is that time pretty much stopped right there. Anything that might would have happened, or 'was going to happen' is pure conjecture. We do not 'know' what was going to happen. We can use probabilities and past experiences to say what we think but when a dog is picked up and is willing to continue at that particular time he/she has been 'picked up game'.
The dog that laid the 18-22 minute ass kicking could have just as easy quit on top at 23 minutes or they both could have stayed til one died in the box and the other died shortly there after. We simply do not know.
"picked up game' just means at that point in time he was still willing. 30 seconds later, who knows?
EWO
This dog http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum...p?dog_id=34399 took out both stifles and I believe killed opponent in just over 3 min. Had opponent scratched back I would call it a gl
A lot can happen in 18 min
Flukes happen in 3 minutes also. He didn't do that before that show or any after.This dog http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum...p?dog_id=34399 took out both stifles and I believe killed opponent in just over 3 min. Had opponent scratched back I would call it a gl
A lot can happen in 18 min
Agreed. I would count my money like any one else after a 3 minute RIP but I wouldn't let that money ride again on it happening again.
It can happen. Gameness is not relative to only time
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