LOL, I hear you back.Originally Posted by Black Hand
There is "so much" in these accusations that needs investigation, verification, and could itself be called into question that it is all hearsay at the moment.
If someone is interested enough, they could start interviewing all of the parties, develop some facts, and get to the bottom of it all, so I do agree that (at this point) it is all speculation, assumption, and undocumented allegations.
Jack
Check this out "Black Hand " im sure thats the name your parents put on your birth cert oh my badd thats the handle you use so YOU can remain anonymous.. It was never my intention to AIR anyone out. If you read my original post you would see that i was simply questioning the stupidity of some within our ranks that go over to these 3 ring circus's in Mexico. To this point no names have been put out there only initials. For all you know VR could stand for Vance Ryan or Vagina Rectum ! The account given of what went down last weekend came 1st hand from eye witnesses that were there at the original site and at the other site provided by the ALLEGED informant. Whether he is or not yet remains to be seen and sooner or later we will all see, just like we all did with R.J. OMG there i go again with name dropping!Whoopdeedoo!!!!
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Check this out "Black Hand " im sure thats the name your parents put on your birth cert oh my badd thats the handle you use so YOU can remain anonymous.. It was never my intention to AIR anyone out. If you read my original post you would see that i was simply questioning the stupidity of some within our ranks that go over to these 3 ring circus's in Mexico. To this point no names have been put out there only initials. For all you know VR could stand for Vance Ryan or Vagina Rectum ! The account given of what went down last weekend came 1st hand from eye witnesses that were there at the original site and at the other site provided by the ALLEGED informant. Whether he is or not yet remains to be seen and sooner or later we will all see, just like we all did with R.J. OMG there i go again with name dropping!
That back and forth crap between V.R. and F.M. has been going on for some time , and it very well could lead to some serious bullshit for foreign travelers with or with out dogs...hopefully not , but ...!?! Gone are the days when Mapula from BMW was hosting 2 day shows in TJ and Mexicali , free food , dollor beers and NO BULLSHIT what so ever .
You got that right Rhino! Them days are over!! It aint about the dogs anymore its about how many suckers they can get a $100 from. And if you wind up in a mexican jail "Oh Well" thats your problem. The real problem is this, Its just a matter of time when the U.S. authorities (Humane soc, PETA etc.) start demanding that Mexico do something about whats going on overthere just like theyre doing with the whole drug,cartel thing and they start arresting,charging and prosecuting anybody they catch at these events (U.S. citizens included) Then its gonna take a whole lot more than a couple $100 dollar bribe to make it go away! All im sayin is that we on this side need to stop participating in these big events whether here in the U.S. or overthere. The less attention we draw to ourselves the better off well all be. If there is a top notch opponent overthere that is challenging us then let it be at low key private location with only a selected few invited. We need to remain UNDERGROUND if we are going to survive!!
The big dog shows,even the ones as far back as the 50's. Pete Sparks attended many of these shows through the 50's into the late 60's. He was the main writer of these events, promoted and sold Your Friend and Mine magazines.
All of this was great for excellent dog history on this breed, including all the other magazines of yesterday, today, etc. All of this info is also available to the enemies of the sport. With a little studying they then can talk the talk and buy a few dogs. Overtime work their way into the circles of dog persons.
I was told that the Newman's Leather guy was a FBI plant among the dog men of my time era. I spoke to him personally at Chavis' Jocko last weight pulling contest. He really liked the (multi dog show) that day.This agent was really working on a case to apprehend Porter/Jones/Morris, among others. Who I understand was working with a large drug cartel that were bringing dope into our country with air boats. Using our inter coastal water ways from Florida etc.
The main notable dog men of my time, lust's for gate money/prestige of winning a trophy etc. Some even being big time drug dealers. Has pretty well been the main demise of this sport. That still appears to be the same problems today.
I was present when one notable dog man from Georgia read a letter to us. That he was sending to the Governor of Georgia. This letter being signed by him, stated that the Georgia legislative could pass anti dog fighting bills, but it was his right to continue to do so. Needless to say he ended up getting to do some serious time over all that and more.
I was appalled at seeing Pete Sparks and even Baker Davis letting a liberal news person interview them, along with taking pictures/video, of their dog yard. All this and much more is free to look at on the You Tube. One video later shows Baker Davis and Wife in hand cuffs, being hauled off to jail. Not long after that interview with the news person.
Majority of the public know are think they know what a pit bull is by certain type looking dogs. Through bad publicity from the main notable dog men that put on the multi dog shows and the propaganda put out on all our airways. The words Pit Bull brings thoughts of dread and terror in the minds of most of the public today. Sad but true.
Last edited by CYJ; 07-11-2015 at 08:40 AM.
Well said, CYJ. Interesting, but sad.
True ,it's like going to the beach and yelling SHARK !
Excellent post CYJ. Those points highlighted above are sadly very true.
While I enjoy the history of these dogs and reading the old magazines, it is used against the breed. And then you have the public who really does not have a clue and all they hear is the brainwashing of the HSUS and the media.
I used to hear comments about my old 50 pound bitch... "she is too small to be a real pit bull! Pit bulls are 80 or 90 pounds..." and I felt she was too big, LOL.
All my dogs have been listed as "terrier mixes" on the vet records as I do not trust BSL and where else will they start to look for "pit bulls" but in vet records and dog licenses.
Sad times these days for the bulldogs... far better the breed was unknown except in certain circles.
And drugs, guns and bulldogs do not mix. The dogs pay the price for the owners' greed and stupidity...
Common sense isn't so common these days.
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