Brother/Sister Breeding

[OGDOGG]

SuperStar is a tremendous little bull dog. He was started around 8 month old. He has a high prey drive, but he is very calm and relaxed dog. He is the type of dog who walk around with his head held high always trying to dominate the yard and think he's the boss. The times he was shown in school, he showed that he had mouth, defensive skills(nose surgeon), and a driven offense(emotional)that he's coming for you and you're gonna die type of drive.
Little Secret has high prey drive and a very intense dog. In school she showed that she's an ear suckler who love to punish the head. She's the quickest dog I ever saw because she made my champion bitch
http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com...?dog_id=371490
look kinda slow, while barely got hurt. Ch Blonka will usually finish off a dog in short order (:30),even in her lost. But Little Secret had gone past Ch Blonka's ability to finish, barely getting touched. So I say she has high abilities. Those are the traits they possess. They are very Smart in and outside the box.

[Officially Retired]

Well, basically, when you inbreed you intensify traits. Some of those traits can be negative, while others will be positive. The acid test of genetic strength is to be able to inbreed and get match ability.

When I inbred Poncho to Missy (my only brother/sister breeding), of the pups who lived 1 was an average, game dog, 1 was a bum, and 1 was a cold dog, while there was 1 ACE untouchable bitch. I should have kept that one and brought her into the program, but I sold her. All of them were very tough and very hard to hurt.

Everytime I have bred Silverback back to his daughters, I have gotten fantastic dogs. Every double-bred Silverback dog I know of is above average.

Other than a probable small size, I think some of these pups stand to be excellent.

Jack

[OGDOGG]

Thanks for your input Jack. This method of breeding must be the least desirable for you since you haven't done one ever since Poncho/Missy? The one trait I really hope to get is bigger size, although that would be a slim chance.
And I already know majority of the pups are going to be intense and extremely hot. I remember the week after I picked them up in Georgia, they were two little intense pups around 7-8 week old and already working the hide and running on The Red River Curly. Just knowing they were born impeccably healthy and growing up eating nothing but good raw food, I can't imagine them throwing nothing but themselves. But if not, at least I gave them a chance to intensify their traits.

[OGDOGG]

[Nash]

[OGDOGG]

There's no celebration over here just yet. That bitch Is the worst mom I know of. Her first litter was an accidental breeding and she didn't take care of them. All died except for one. That one was culled due to poor health(always throwing up, and messed up bite)
Her second litter, she had 9, all died except for one. That one was also culled(too small, and messed up bite) I don't know why she spitting out lower k9 going in instead of out, when all the offsprings I got off SilverBack has perfect or near perfect Bite(scissor bite)This time my partner thinks he got it though. He said he watched the 20 yrs of breeding secrets like 10x, and followed up with all the meds. We even got some syringe with colostrum in it from Kv vet.

[Officially Retired]

Secret Star was a shitty mother and would kill her pups if I didn't watch her 24/7.

I don't understand what is wrong with their mouths, could be a mineral deficiency or imbalance(??).

I lived in GA once, and the water there caused all my pups to be born defective ... and after I switched to bottled water all problems disappeared.

Jack

[OGDOGG]

I don't know what the problem is either. Her first pup was raised in the next state from here and her last pup was raised here with me and both end up with the same problem.( bottom k9 curving inward) i had 3 litter here drinking the same water and the other two litter was fine. Other than that they had perfect scissor bite. She definitely has her moms gene. Heartless bitch.

[redmistkennel]

Please keep us posted on how they turn out. I did a brother sister breeding off my garner dogs and pups looked great and had to be seperated by 8 weeks. I kept 1 of them and she caught parvo and died. My expartner kept the other 5 and I never heard how they turned out as adults.

[Officially Retired]

I don't know what the problem is either. Her first pup was raised in the next state from here and her last pup was raised here with me and both end up with the same problem.( bottom k9 curving inward) i had 3 litter here drinking the same water and the other two litter was fine. Other than that they had perfect scissor bite. She definitely has her moms gene. Heartless bitch.

I bred Secret Star (U-Nhan-Rha x Brick House) to her uncle Icon, and she had 4 absolutely spectacular pups. Couldn't be healthier or better-looking lil pups ...

Icon x Secret Star

The first sign of trouble was when Secret Star dropped her pups all about her pen, and tried to avoid contact with them at all; she had absolutely no maternal instinct whatsoever. This was a surprise to me because her mama Brick House is a great mother, as was Jezebel (as U-Nhan-Rha's sister Twilight). So I couldn't figure out why SS was such a shitty mama. Anyway, I placed SS and her pups in a crate, to "force" her to be with them, and she nursed them reluctantly for 3 weeks ... and then one day I came come to an absolute slaughter: she had attacked all of her pups and just massacred them: their skulls were all factured in a million pieces like egg shells.

I won't say what I did to Secret Star, because it wasn't pretty, but I sure wanted to make a "lasting impression" on her that such behavior was not to be tolerated. Her next breeding, to Silverback, she only had 1 pup, and I had to hand-raise it because she wanted to kill it as it was coming out of her. I bred her to Silverback again, and this time she had 9 pups, and after a few beatings (and me keeping her and her pups next to me 24/7), she raised them all to weaning age, which produced the pair you have.

If there is any mandibular mal-development, it has to be coming from her (even though she is basically okay), because Silverback has a very broad, powerful jaw whereas hers is a bit on the narrow side. Your pups also "pulled" from her side of the pedigree, appearance- and physique-wise. I am not sure I would have necessarily culled young pups, because they can develop and change as they get old (plus, you never know if they're talented and game, inspite of a handicap), so there are a lot of assumptions made through such decisions, but if this happened twice, then I wouldn't bother repeating it again.

Anyway, just a little 411 ...

Jack