Who is the Better Dogman?

[ragedog10]

Who are you talking to exactly?

I'm not calling anyone out! Just stating Wat I have seen with more then one person on your board! if you think that you have learned everything in these hounds then Wats the since ? I wanna ask you this if you have your own breedings off your stock are you harder on them or would you be harder on a prospect that someone farmed out to you to see how it turns out? If you are a good dog man or woman then should you not know Wat a good one looks like when to and when not to cull and or breed! as someone has already stated if your not trying to better the breed of any hound then it's not right in my eye's as you have said your self jack if you don't have Some reads then your not being the best that you can be! Just knowing when to pick up and put your pride to the side could make all the difference! this is by far one of the best post on this site! You putting this site together with the amount information on here let us know you have a real love for not just bulldogs but for the k9 species overall!

[Officially Retired]

I'm not calling anyone out! Just stating Wat I have seen with more then one person on your board! if you think that you have learned everything in these hounds then Wats the since ? I wanna ask you this if you have your own breedings off your stock are you harder on them or would you be harder on a prospect that someone farmed out to you to see how it turns out? If you are a good dog man or woman then should you not know Wat a good one looks like when to and when not to cull and or breed! as someone has already stated if your not trying to better the breed of any hound then it's not right in my eye's as you have said your self jack if you don't have Some reads then your not being the best that you can be! Just knowing when to pick up and put your pride to the side could make all the difference! this is by far one of the best post on this site! You putting this site together with the amount information on here let us know you have a real love for not just bulldogs but for the k9 species overall!

Okay, cool, thanks for clarifying.

[EWO]

The guy that is looking to get the best out of each dog is usually the guy who is doing the most with each dog, or the most that he can. The two dog men that turned me onto dogs were hard cullers. Dogs didn't get a lot of chances. They pretty much had to hit the ground running. They both looked at the failures as available chain spaces. Maybe the silver lining approach. I started off the same way.

I would roll on a guys dog and pretty much decide I would put him down. Some guy would keep that dog, breed that dog and two years later kick the shit out of me with the offspring. I am no brain surgeon but after awhile I started to see the value of dogs that were not necessarily match dogs. I am not saying making dogs out of curs but just because a dog is not a top quality match dog he/she can still have value, and in certain aspects even more valuable. One match dog that wins three or one brood dog that produces three dogs that wins three matches.

That in turns goes to the 'beauty is in the eye of the beholder'. Some guys cull harder than others. Some guys cull dogs that are not match dogs but would be good brood dogs for a breeder but they themselves do not care about breeding/puppies. Some guys will not cull in the hopes of making chicken salad out of chicken shit. Takes all kinds.

One of the early lessons I learned was that the keep does not last eight weeks it starts at nine weeks before they are born. (The forethought/insight into the actual breeding). Any and everything from conception to show night matters. EWO

[Officially Retired]

The guy that is looking to get the best out of each dog is usually the guy who is doing the most with each dog, or the most that he can. The two dog men that turned me onto dogs were hard cullers. Dogs didn't get a lot of chances. They pretty much had to hit the ground running. They both looked at the failures as available chain spaces. Maybe the silver lining approach. I started off the same way.

I would roll on a guys dog and pretty much decide I would put him down. Some guy would keep that dog, breed that dog and two years later kick the shit out of me with the offspring. I am no brain surgeon but after awhile I started to see the value of dogs that were not necessarily match dogs. I am not saying making dogs out of curs but just because a dog is not a top quality match dog he/she can still have value, and in certain aspects even more valuable. One match dog that wins three or one brood dog that produces three dogs that wins three matches.

That in turns goes to the 'beauty is in the eye of the beholder'. Some guys cull harder than others. Some guys cull dogs that are not match dogs but would be good brood dogs for a breeder but they themselves do not care about breeding/puppies. Some guys will not cull in the hopes of making chicken salad out of chicken shit. Takes all kinds.

One of the early lessons I learned was that the keep does not last eight weeks it starts at nine weeks before they are born. (The forethought/insight into the actual breeding). Any and everything from conception to show night matters. EWO

Another fabulous post

[S_B]

One of the early lessons I learned was that the keep does not last eight weeks it starts at nine weeks before they are born. (The forethought/insight into the actual breeding). Any and everything from conception to show night matters. EWO

This is so so true, and while we all would like to think we ourselves "hit the ground running" truth is we have ALL fell, got up and dusted ourselves off a time or two. We have also made culling decisions we later looked back on and not regretted so much, but would have done things differently now that hindsight is 20/20.

Great posts above as well...

[Handsome84]

The guy that is looking to get the best out of each dog is usually the guy who is doing the most with each dog, or the most that he can. The two dog men that turned me onto dogs were hard cullers. Dogs didn't get a lot of chances. They pretty much had to hit the ground running. They both looked at the failures as available chain spaces. Maybe the silver lining approach. I started off the same way.

I would roll on a guys dog and pretty much decide I would put him down. Some guy would keep that dog, breed that dog and two years later kick the shit out of me with the offspring. I am no brain surgeon but after awhile I started to see the value of dogs that were not necessarily match dogs. I am not saying making dogs out of curs but just because a dog is not a top quality match dog he/she can still have value, and in certain aspects even more valuable. One match dog that wins three or one brood dog that produces three dogs that wins three matches.

That in turns goes to the 'beauty is in the eye of the beholder'. Some guys cull harder than others. Some guys cull dogs that are not match dogs but would be good brood dogs for a breeder but they themselves do not care about breeding/puppies. Some guys will not cull in the hopes of making chicken salad out of chicken shit. Takes all kinds.

One of the early lessons I learned was that the keep does not last eight weeks it starts at nine weeks before they are born. (The forethought/insight into the actual breeding). Any and everything from conception to show night matters. EWO

[Frank43]

The guy that is looking to get the best out of each dog is usually the guy who is doing the most with each dog, or the most that he can. The two dog men that turned me onto dogs were hard cullers. Dogs didn't get a lot of chances. They pretty much had to hit the ground running. They both looked at the failures as available chain spaces. Maybe the silver lining approach. I started off the same way.

I would roll on a guys dog and pretty much decide I would put him down. Some guy would keep that dog, breed that dog and two years later kick the shit out of me with the offspring. I am no brain surgeon but after awhile I started to see the value of dogs that were not necessarily match dogs. I am not saying making dogs out of curs but just because a dog is not a top quality match dog he/she can still have value, and in certain aspects even more valuable. One match dog that wins three or one brood dog that produces three dogs that wins three matches.

That in turns goes to the 'beauty is in the eye of the beholder'. Some guys cull harder than others. Some guys cull dogs that are not match dogs but would be good brood dogs for a breeder but they themselves do not care about breeding/puppies. Some guys will not cull in the hopes of making chicken salad out of chicken shit. Takes all kinds.

One of the early lessons I learned was that the keep does not last eight weeks it starts at nine weeks before they are born. (The forethought/insight into the actual breeding). Any and everything from conception to show night matters. EWO

Genius

[jayblack]

The guy who takes his time and spends time with the dogs , I got a dog for free because he "wouldn't " start .. He was two yrs old . I kept him as a pet for another 8 months he became a 2xw , I had a daughter of dead lift same deal , she was my daughters dog she had no mouth she won 1 and showed extreme game ness . I always kept less dogs than I had space they all got house and family time and I think they performed better for me than the prior owner because of it ... Made ch. show time a ch she had no ability , made ch . Morena a ch. she had no mouth etc etc our kennel motto is we do more with less ...

[Officially Retired]

More excellent posts fellas, well said on both counts.

[EWO]

A number of years ago I saw a dog make several deeply game scratches back to a dog that clearly outclassed him. There were only two souls in that building that thought he still had a chance. The dog just knew he would win on the next trip over. And the other was an older gentleman who saw something down the road. I made the comment to get him up but I did not have the gumption to buy him mid-stream and force the pick up. That dog was brought back out and won two. I saw him on the second one and he was ten times the dog the second time I seen him. The differences were one he was done two pounds heavier and with a different owner. I believe he would have avenged his earlier loss if given the chance. With that said,

for the most part a dog is the product of his environment, sometimes that is a positive but sometimes he is a victim of his circumstance...to no fault of his own. One of the things I believe firmly is that if every dog, an absolute 100%, was held til they were 28-30 months old before even their first bump the percentages across the board would increase, regardless of line, regardless of owner. These dogs are amazing. They overcome so much and if they were allowed to fully mature they would overcome so much more (owners shortcomings).

The wisdom/willingness to wait on a dog is I think what separates the two in the original poll. The hard culler is not going to wait. The man that wants the best will wait. EWO