How much has the dog game change ?

[Foxman]

They may have all cussed. But I did not hear them ever say anything around me. I don't cuss so Maybe that is why they didn't or I just wasn't around them when they were mad. I'm not sure. But I am sure none of them threatened people's children. My wife and I were at Tudors house several times. Sometimes as long as three hours or so. I ask her if she remember him cussing. She said no not him or Flo cussed one time. I do know he did some pretty crazy stuff in his day and he wasn't my kind of people. So I guess I was wrong in using this for a comparison. Who knows under the right conditions they might all cuss. Anyway I was wrong You were right. Randy Fox

[CrazyRed]

They may have all cussed. But I did not hear them ever say anything around me. I don't cuss so Maybe that is why they didn't or I just wasn't around them when they were mad. I'm not sure. But I am sure none of them threatened people's children. Randy Fox

well some of those older guys did worse than threaten some children, they actually molested some. Some served some time over the years for it.

[Black Hand]

They may have all cussed. But I did not hear them ever say anything around me. I don't cuss so Maybe that is why they didn't or I just wasn't around them when they were mad. I'm not sure. But I am sure none of them threatened people's children. My wife and I were at Tudors house several times. Sometimes as long as three hours or so. I ask her if she remember him cussing. She said no not him or Flo cussed one time. I do know he did some pretty crazy stuff in his day and he wasn't my kind of people. So I guess I was wrong in using this for a comparison. Who knows under the right conditions they might all cuss. Anyway I was wrong You were right. Randy Fox

Randy, this has less to do with dogmen and more to do with the times. More people today in general are desensitized to vulgarity, sex, violence, and everything in between. Has less to do with dogs and more to do with the times we live in. If it was more class, gentlemen, and sportsmanship in the "golden days" then it's probably just a reflection of how people were back then in general. You could say the same about anything really. If someone told you that stuff on the internet it's really not abnormal. This is the times we live in, when a 16 year old can go on twitter and tell a professional
Athlete that he hopes his kids die because he didn't earn him any fantasy league points lol. Don't take it personal. What's happened to you happens to a lot of people. Has zero to so with dogs or dogmen.

[EWO]

Well said. That is why I posted earlier that the dogs or the game has not really changed. The dog game is just like any other segment of society it is mostly a reflection or a cross section of society.

To use your analogy. That same kid may have thought that in 1962 but he did not have the means to post it and make it public for the world to see. Nor had the world become so de-sensitized to vulgarity and deviant behavior that that rant is often over looked.

I am not sure of the percentages of good people to bad people are in any different today that twenty-thirty-forty years ago but today in the information age we hear every little thing from around the world everyday. The sway in 'perceptive percentages' is that the bad people in the news outnumber the good people 10 to 1. (and that is a conservative estimate). EWO

Randy, this has less to do with dogmen and more to do with the times. More people today in general are desensitized to vulgarity, sex, violence, and everything in between. Has less to do with dogs and more to do with the times we live in. If it was more class, gentlemen, and sportsmanship in the "golden days" then it's probably just a reflection of how people were back then in general. You could say the same about anything really. If someone told you that stuff on the internet it's really not abnormal. This is the times we live in, when a 16 year old can go on twitter and tell a professional
Athlete that he hopes his kids die because he didn't earn him any fantasy league points lol. Don't take it personal. What's happened to you happens to a lot of people. Has zero to so with dogs or dogmen.

[Foxman]

Let me see if I can say this. There were lots of people back then that fought dogs that would not be fighting dogs today. Because they do not like to be a felon. I'd love to fight some dogs right now. But I'm not going to because that is one step to close to jail for me. I had a friend that got arrested sometime back. I kept telling him. Your going to get caught. I ask him several times what is the use of fighting a dog if you can't tell anyone. He also said there are 25 of us and we do not let anyone else in. Well someone got in. Getting caught has changed him a whole lot. I use to not have to worry. All I had to do was pay a fine and go on. But today I think lots of people that fought them back when. They would not fight dogs because they like their freedom to much and are smart enough to know the risk. My family is much more important to me than any dogfight or pitbull ever was. Also there are Animal rights clubs out there that will pay people for turning someone in. At one time if you turned someone in. A fellow told me if each place that would pay up for your snitching. If you could collect it would be as much as 25,000 dollars. How many guys can you trust for that kind of money. Plus, the law moves into a town and this happened. They go to work in your town and roll dogs and make you their friend. They can catch anyone with their taking two years waiting getting lots of info before making an arrest. Don't get me wrong. I loved it and still miss it. But I'm old and would like to spend the rest of my life free with the people I love. I might have or might not have fought dogs if I were young in this era. I was a little crazy so I can't say for sure. Anyway it isn't for me now. I've never been arrested for any felonies and my name is in the phone directory. Not many dogfighters this day and time can say that.

[EWO]

Agreed. I took the question to be about the dogs and the game, not so much the changing times. I believe the good dogs today would compete with the compete with the good dogs of yesterday. The dogs that quit back then would quit today, and vice-versa.

I do agree the changes in society have had its impact on the dogs. I posted before that once upon a long time ago what I was doing in my yard was my business. In lots of places that is no longer true. In today's climate it is damn near a crime to walk down the road with a bulldog. Those things have changed.

And I agree the penalties associated with the dogs is far greater than most would take a chance with today but like all criminal activity, there is always a certain percentage that will partake. Great posts. EWO

[Officially Retired]

Let me see if I can say this. There were lots of people back then that fought dogs that would not be fighting dogs today. Because they do not like to be a felon. I'd love to fight some dogs right now. But I'm not going to because that is one step to close to jail for me. I had a friend that got arrested sometime back. I kept telling him. Your going to get caught. I ask him several times what is the use of fighting a dog if you can't tell anyone. He also said there are 25 of us and we do not let anyone else in. Well someone got in. Getting caught has changed him a whole lot. I use to not have to worry. All I had to do was pay a fine and go on. But today I think lots of people that fought them back when. They would not fight dogs because they like their freedom to much and are smart enough to know the risk. My family is much more important to me than any dogfight or pitbull ever was. Also there are Animal rights clubs out there that will pay people for turning someone in. At one time if you turned someone in. A fellow told me if each place that would pay up for your snitching. If you could collect it would be as much as 25,000 dollars. How many guys can you trust for that kind of money. Plus, the law moves into a town and this happened. They go to work in your town and roll dogs and make you their friend. They can catch anyone with their taking two years waiting getting lots of info before making an arrest. Don't get me wrong. I loved it and still miss it. But I'm old and would like to spend the rest of my life free with the people I love. I might have or might not have fought dogs if I were young in this era. I was a little crazy so I can't say for sure. Anyway it isn't for me now. I've never been arrested for any felonies and my name is in the phone directory. Not many dogfighters this day and time can say that.

Yep. This is why I stopped going even to public dog rolls for the most part, back when I was in TN.
I had two old-old-time friends that I knew and trusted totally. And pretty much no one else.

Saw people I sold dogs to get busted. Kept running around showing everyone their dogs. No sense. No scrutiny.
It got so if I didn't really know a person, what they had, what they had to lose, and what's been going on in their daily lives, I didn't need to be risking rolling dogs with them.

I miss seeing dogs go. Hell, I miss working on them after. Miss seeing the pride and enthusiasm on a busted-up dog's face. Miss seeing a good male hike is leg up extra high when he's proud of himself.

But I don't miss the stress of having 40 - 80 dogs on my yard, with a large percentage of them "showing signs" that something had been done with them.

I don't miss that stress at all,

Jack

[Pit Bull Committed]

Yep. This is why I stopped going even to public dog rolls for the most part, back when I was in TN.
I had two old-old-time friends that I knew and trusted totally. And pretty much no one else.

Saw people I sold dogs to get busted. Kept running around showing everyone their dogs. No sense. No scrutiny.
It got so if I didn't really know a person, what they had, what they had to lose, and what's been going on in their daily lives, I didn't need to be risking rolling dogs with them.

I miss seeing dogs go. Hell, I miss working on them after. Miss seeing the pride and enthusiasm on a busted-up dog's face. Miss seeing a good male hike is leg up extra high when he's proud of himself.

But I don't miss the stress of having 40 - 80 dogs on my yard, with a large percentage of them "showing signs" that something had been done with them.

I don't miss that stress at all,

Jack

Best to just do it like Jack's two old-old-time friends. No need for the pride and the bragging of doing dogs. Have other purposes for the dogs too besides just the pit itself. Hunt coyotes, raccoons, hogs, weight pulling, etc...with them and once in a while take them out for a show will be enough for me. The era of having a yard of 40+ dogs is over unless you're trying to be like TG.

[Officially Retired]

Best to just do it like Jack's two old-old-time friends. No need for the pride and the bragging of doing dogs. Have other purposes for the dogs too besides just the pit itself. Hunt coyotes, raccoons, hogs, weight pulling, etc...with them and once in a while take them out for a show will be enough for me. The era of having a yard of 40+ dogs is over unless you're trying to be like TG.

Very good point ... it's a great idea to have lots of photos of your dogs hog-hunting, racooning, etc.

Big Ernie did that with his dogs and I know Wac does that with their dogs. I never did, but I should have.

Well said.

[CYJ]

Ditto Jack & Foxman. I know where both of you are coming from. Overtime the local news and even big bill boards were put up in Columbia S.C. Stating on the TV and the Bill Boards of offering rewards on info of game dog persons and game Chicken persons. The Lt. Governor had a Swat team set up especially for any such activities. I saw the writing on the wall or should I say Bill Board. LOL

I even had a panic attack one day while out in my dog yard. I am a very calm person and not afraid of most anything. I lived in a heavy wooded area and on that day, felt like the Law was hiding in the woods fixing to rush me. LOL

The times have changed for the worst not the better. Just this past week, a man rolled up into my ex partners home place. Said he had just recently bought some dogs from a fellow we both know. That he wanted to buy some dogs from my ex partner. My ex partner sensed a rat in the making and kindly sent this person on his way. This person was of Caucasian persuasion. Later that week my ole partner called our other friend.

This dog man said he has sold no dogs to any white people in many a year. So fellows tighten up your security and who you are hanging with. Know who you know and if they are not real dog men with no bad vices. Better gently part ways. Cheers