DISPUTED OR FAKE PEDS FROM THE PAST AND PRESENT .

[CYJ]

Projectx it is very hard to put 100% confidence in what any of those dog men like Mayfield/ Tudor/Boudreaux/Carver/Patrick and others said. It is like allowing yourself to become the outsider that gets caught up in their little family squabble. I too felt like you do in my younger years and was a crusader for the Truth of the pedigrees etc. Was not long before I found myself beating on a dead horse. One minute these same dog men were talking crap about each other, then later on being the best of pals. Even having group pictures took. Sitting there picking and a grinning at some pig picking.

Who would believe all that Earl Tudor had to say when much he did. Showed him to have some serious character flaws. In the Burton interview it was mentioned that Burton's wife could tell Mrs. Tudor was much afraid of ole Earl. If it be true, what sort of man lets a dog man pimp, bring over a young prostitute and have sex with her in the barn. While his wife of many years is in the House near by. How honest do you think Tudor and Carver are going to be about all their dog dealings when doing something as common as that?

Or brag about taking a squaw Indian women anytime you please. Or keeping other dog men's brood bitches after they paid stud fees and had shipped the bitch dogs to him. Then when Tudor feels some one has wronged him. He goes up on his mountain and starts caterwauling, according to what Mayfield wrote. If all those said statements are True. I and the many readers were not there so really all could be a lot of hear say. No doubt Tudor was a top dog man in his day and had a great influence on the dog game. But to take all Tudor said as the gospel from Don's taped interviews and any of those other taped interviews. Is a little more salt than I would want to take on my food.

Your best contribution to this matter and to the others that have the rest of those tapes. Is to put them down on a CD and sell them for a fair price. Or have the interviews posted on this site, like Dead End does on the on lines pedigree site. Then everyone can make up their own minds. Still, getting those older pedigrees changed will be a moot point far as those registries are concerned. Cheers

[projectx]

Projectx it is very hard to put 100% confidence in what any of those dog men like Mayfield/ Tudor/Boudreaux/Carver/Patrick and others said. It is like allowing yourself to become the outsider that gets caught up in their little family squabble. I too felt like you do in my younger years and was a crusader for the Truth of the pedigrees etc. Was not long before I found myself beating on a dead horse. One minute these same dog men were talking crap about each other, then later on being the best of pals. Even having group pictures took. Sitting there picking and a grinning at some pig picking.

Who would believe all that Earl Tudor had to say when much he did. Showed him to have some serious character flaws. In the Burton interview it was mentioned that Burton's wife could tell Mrs. Tudor was much afraid of ole Earl. If it be true, what sort of man lets a dog man pimp, bring over a young prostitute and have sex with her in the barn. While his wife of many years is in the House near by. How honest do you think Tudor and Carver are going to be about all their dog dealings when doing something as common as that?

Or brag about taking a squaw Indian women anytime you please. Or keeping other dog men's brood bitches after they paid stud fees and had shipped the bitch dogs to him. Then when Tudor feels some one has wronged him. He goes up on his mountain and starts caterwauling. No doubt he was a top dog man in his day. But to take all Tudor said as the gospel from Don's taped interviews and any of those other taped interviews. Is a little more salt than I would want to take on my food.

Your best contribution to this matter and to the others that have the rest of those tapes. Is to put them down on a CD and sell them for a fair price. Or have the interviews posted on this site, like Dead End does on the on lines pedigree site. Then everyone can make up their own minds. Still, getting those older pedigrees changed will be a moot point far as those registries are concerned. Cheers

CYJ , i dont disagree with you about the many flaws they had asdo many others, but were all human and everyone has there weakaness.As for taking all the audios as gospel , well like everything else i like to use common sense but those audios have a lot of truth in them, and also a lot of the bullshit that comes with playing the game, but on a historical note they are the best information source in the spoken word from most all of the players from that era ,and as such i am very glad i have the few i have.

You still havent said whether you think that the blind billy story looks like don and others were correct , but if you dont want to say anything about that , then i guess you agree with me , and if it is a lie then i feel that this is a case that the adba should put right , as theres no way based on the dob's of dibo and the age we know he was first bred by tudor and blind billys dob that dibo can be the sire , and i for one would think it would show a strong adba who cares about true pedigrees if they were to change that pedigree to unknown regardless of it being boudreuax, and infact would show the adba to not be showing favouritism to any one man ,be it legend friend or newbie .

[CYJ]

It may or may not be true what Don said about the Blind Billie dog. Blind Billie and the Scrub dog to me look nothing like those Bully son etc. dogs. When I saw that picture of the Scrub dog taking the count. I thought to myself that dog looks sort of weird like a half breed pit and that Fuzzy tail at the end of him. Maybe just some bad angles on the picture taking.

When you call Mr. C. Mims be prepared to do a lot of listening. Make sure your calling plan has plenty of minutes. Carl and self both owned and used that little Duplechain's Sally bitch. Sally died on my yard. Carl was telling me about one of the times he was in a motel room or some place with Lonzo Pratt. Said Lonzo was drinking and feeling at ease. Told me Lonzo started laughing about how he had just sold some young unexperienced dog men some dogs with bogus papers.

That was something Mr. Mims never did or was ever spoken about in that way. He today still says the Bass Cleo bitch is bred off the Cotton's Bullet dog. Mr. Mims was at one time a boxer and I do not know if Bass ever boxed. Bass was a Boxing coach, his son was a Golden Gloves Boxer. So Mr. Mims and Bass got along real well.

I can not say the same, from some of the experiences I had with R.E. Bass. I did not trust him far as I could throw him. Mr. Teal and Rowell over time quit dealing with Bass. Bass and Rowell got in some sort of a bad dispute which ended up with Bass pulling a gun on Rowell and firing off a round or two at his feet. Even W. Truett got to go a few rounds with Ole Bass.

Bass did not play well with others. Bass had Jim Williams of Palidan fame slap Woody Truett in his own dog yard. The first vehicle that left Woody's yard he emptied his shot gun into the back of it. Sadly it was not Bass and Williams, they had managed to get gone right before Woody made it back out of his House. Was two other innocent dog men from N.C. They were lucky and did not get hurt, but the truck got shot up. This is not hear say. I was there that day.

Katie and Bass parted ways and dogs, after he deliberately hurt her son Bo Marlowe. When Bo was a little boy. Katie was a tough woman and beat ole man Bass down in the ground with a heavy work shovel. Bo told me She even threw the shovel through the back window of his car, as he was fleeing the trailer park. Fellows Katie Marlowe came up hard and was one tough woman. She was tough on those Red boy dogs as well. One did not look right or acted right. That one was a sure goner.

So what we discuss in private affairs may not always be the best thing to discuss out in the open. Someone will get offended and the pissing contest begins. I got a little carried away on that other site and had to reel it in. Will after this post bring it back down some.

On another dog site someone posted a topic about, if Jocko could have beat Crenshaw's Jeep. I jumped in with all four feet and stated that if Jocko was at Jeep's pit weight and V. Jackson conditioned Jocko. Jocko would have turned Jeep everyway but loose and helped him get over that pit wall. That Jeep tried to get over a couple of times before. LOL One of the Moderators must have had a lot of Jeep bred dogs. He banned me from the site as he stated to me, forever. LOL

So I am not really trying to dispute you are anyone else on those stories. It is just what it is today. Doubt there is any chance of changing any thing now. I can say for myself that the dog's that have my name on them are bred as shown. What the dog man did before me and after me. I had no control over that.

I had the whole dog match on 8mm film of the Famous Trahan's Cajun dog that was matched into Komosinski's Rocky dog. Mr. Mike Ferris worked the Trahan dog and Mr. Howard Teal worked the Rocky dog. My father filmed the whole event. Back then they pulled a dog down to his bottom weight. For dogs to go at it like they did and pulled that tight. You better have bred for deep gaminess.

I have misplaced this piece of dog history and hope to find it before too much longer. You have some great dog history that would be great too share with these younger dog men. Cheers

[Officially Retired]

Projectx it is very hard to put 100% confidence in what any of those dog men like Mayfield/ Tudor/Boudreaux/Carver/Patrick and others said. It is like allowing yourself to become the outsider that gets caught up in their little family squabble. I too felt like you do in my younger years and was a crusader for the Truth of the pedigrees etc. Was not long before I found myself beating on a dead horse. One minute these same dog men were talking crap about each other, then later on being the best of pals. Even having group pictures took. Sitting there picking and a grinning at some pig picking.

Who would believe all that Earl Tudor had to say when much he did. Showed him to have some serious character flaws. In the Burton interview it was mentioned that Burton's wife could tell Mrs. Tudor was much afraid of ole Earl. If it be true, what sort of man lets a dog man pimp, bring over a young prostitute and have sex with her in the barn. While his wife of many years is in the House near by. How honest do you think Tudor and Carver are going to be about all their dog dealings when doing something as common as that?

Or brag about taking a squaw Indian women anytime you please. Or keeping other dog men's brood bitches after they paid stud fees and had shipped the bitch dogs to him. Then when Tudor feels some one has wronged him. He goes up on his mountain and starts caterwauling. No doubt he was a top dog man in his day. But to take all Tudor said as the gospel from Don's taped interviews and any of those other taped interviews. Is a little more salt than I would want to take on my food.

Your best contribution to this matter and to the others that have the rest of those tapes. Is to put them down on a CD and sell them for a fair price. Or have the interviews posted on this site, like Dead End does on the on lines pedigree site. Then everyone can make up their own minds. Still, getting those older pedigrees changed will be a moot point far as those registries are concerned. Cheers

Very good post, CYJ. Those tapes could be put to YouTube and posted here with the video links.

I have always believed as you do: a man who lies to and cheats on his wife will lie to and cheat anyone.

Jack

[No Quarter Kennel]

Projectx it is very hard to put 100% confidence in what any of those dog men like Mayfield/ Tudor/Boudreaux/Carver/Patrick and others said. It is like allowing yourself to become the outsider that gets caught up in their little family squabble. I too felt like you do in my younger years and was a crusader for the Truth of the pedigrees etc. Was not long before I found myself beating on a dead horse. One minute these same dog men were talking crap about each other, then later on being the best of pals. Even having group pictures took. Sitting there picking and a grinning at some pig picking.

Who would believe all that Earl Tudor had to say when much he did. Showed him to have some serious character flaws. In the Burton interview it was mentioned that Burton's wife could tell Mrs. Tudor was much afraid of ole Earl. If it be true, what sort of man lets a dog man pimp, bring over a young prostitute and have sex with her in the barn. While his wife of many years is in the House near by. How honest do you think Tudor and Carver are going to be about all their dog dealings when doing something as common as that?

Or brag about taking a squaw Indian women anytime you please. Or keeping other dog men's brood bitches after they paid stud fees and had shipped the bitch dogs to him. Then when Tudor feels some one has wronged him. He goes up on his mountain and starts caterwauling. No doubt he was a top dog man in his day. But to take all Tudor said as the gospel from Don's taped interviews and any of those other taped interviews. Is a little more salt than I would want to take on my food.

Your best contribution to this matter and to the others that have the rest of those tapes. Is to put them down on a CD and sell them for a fair price. Or have the interviews posted on this site, like Dead End does on the on lines pedigree site. Then everyone can make up their own minds. Still, getting those older pedigrees changed will be a moot point far as those registries are concerned. Cheers

Excellent. DB will tell you the first thing he learned form Tudor was, "You better be willing to cheat to win"
Well, hell, how honest are all these "good ole boys"
Mayfield was known to be a jealous man who continually run down just about anyone he could. I wouldn't take the word from someone like this on any topic in life. Not a single one.

[Officially Retired]

I believe there was a man in TN, named Paul Sweeny, who beat Earl Tudor 4-0 ...

[projectx]

Excellent. DB will tell you the first thing he learned form Tudor was, "You better be willing to cheat to win"
Well, hell, how honest are all these "good ole boys"
Mayfield was known to be a jealous man who continually run down just about anyone he could. I wouldn't take the word from someone like this on any topic in life. Not a single one.

NQK by the looks of your post it seems like you arethe one trying to run down mayfield ,even
when as it seems that he was right about the dogs mentioned so far in this thread , which
would mean your the jealous one trying to run him down.

Nqk i would agree with you entirely about mayfield being jealous if everytime he said something about the fake peds as mentioned in this thread they all turned out to be just in his imagination, but you know who started those rumours about don being jealous? the guys who owned the dogs he was talking about i wonder why?,and guess what don was right most of the time, so maybe
your perception of a jealous man depends on whos telling you that, i dont think anyone who can add up believes that blind billy or eli were bred as floyd papered them, so maybe you missed the theory and evidence in my post about blind billy and eli , and maybe you can tells us about how old mayfield the jealous guy as you say was wrong on that one .

[bolero]

boze quit never heard that before

[bolero]

NQK by the looks of your post it seems like you arethe one trying to run down mayfield ,even
when as it seems that he was right about the dogs mentioned so far in this thread , which
would mean your the jealous one trying to run him down.

Nqk i would agree with you entirely about mayfield being jealous if everytime he said something about the fake peds as mentioned in this thread they all turned out to be just in his imagination, but you know who started those rumours about don being jealous? the guys who owned the dogs he was talking about i wonder why?,and guess what don was right most of the time, so maybe
your perception of a jealous man depends on whos telling you that, i dont think anyone who can add up believes that blind billy or eli were bred as floyd papered them, so maybe you missed the theory and evidence in my post about blind billy and eli , and maybe you can tells us about how old mayfield the jealous guy as you say was wrong on that one .

ur not stating facts just mayfields rambles i would beleive floyds word over his u bought mayfields bullshit and im sorry nut that was your fault not ours mayfield could of lied about the dates and everything and he probably didmayfield was a conditioner as a breeder he sucked and those are the facts period,

[projectx]

ur not stating facts just mayfields rambles i would beleive floyds word over his u bought mayfields bullshit and im sorry nut that was your fault not ours mayfield could of lied about the dates and everything and he probably didmayfield was a conditioner as a breeder he sucked and those are the facts period,

BOlero you must not read to good or you would realsie it wasnt just mayfield saying that he didnt believe how blind billy was bred or that eli was bred the way floyd said he was, FLOYD BOUDREAUXS OWN WORDS MAKE HIM THE LIAR, floyd stated blind billy was born in 1952 , well dibo was born on the 21 of march 1951 and tudor never got him on his yard untill he was around 3 years old and them didnt breed him immediatley , so even if tudor had bred him the day he arrived that would be in 1954 so how the hell can he have sired blind billy who was born according to floyds own holy words in 1952 if tudor never even got dibo untill 1954 you tell me that .
And another thing i asked you what did mayfiled lie to you about for you to call him a lair ? you still havent said anything apart from deny the obvious which is that it was floyd who lied about blind billy and that means that eli is also a lie and most probably bred exactly like mayfield said and as practically anyone with half a brain , so you go on believing a lie thats what i call dumb .Now lets get this straight, most people having read and looked at the evidence such as it is in the matter of tombstones true breeding /blind billys true or unknown breeding and ELIs true breeding , have come to the conclusion that mayfield was more than likely correct ,so now who were you calling a lair again bolero ? oh yea mayfield thats right the guy that was proven correct thats who, now why dont you open your eyes and accept the truth even if it means that mayfield was not lying but floyd was , it wont kill you its called the truth it actually frees you from the chains you have been living in for many years if and by the way once you realise floyd basically stole dons breeding from claiming eli as his own blood, tehn maybe you and some others around here would understand who really was a true breeder and who wasnt , becasue mayfields blood filled the yards of many dogmen , some who were honest and some like floyd who denied it , i repoeat look at the dates that floyds says not mayfield then scractch your head a little and maybe the damn light will come on up there in the place were your brain should be, and maybe if your a man you might want to take back that shit you said about mayfield , but i wont hold my breath for that.