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  1. #21
    IMO CH Silver the Sorrells dog from overseas was a great ear dog ..He did loose his last but I feel like he is a good example of ahead dog that beat some good competition..Not saying he is the best ear dog ever that a matter of opinion.

  2. #22
    Silver didn't lose his last. His loss was one of his first few shows if I remember correctly.

  3. #23
    Quote Originally Posted by FrostyPaws View Post
    Silver didn't lose his last. His loss was one of his first few shows if I remember correctly.
    My bad...I stand corrected.

  4. #24
    That is the thing about losing: people in dogs seem to think it means the dog is no good if he loses ... or is somehow "less than" another dog that never lost.

    "Oh, if so-and-so lost, then he can't possibly be as good as X, who never lost."

    In some cases this could be true, in others nothing could be further from the truth.

    The dog who lost to one opponent may whip the daylights out of some other dog who never lost.

    Three things are true:

    1) Styles make fights, and one dog's style may have been a problem for Silver, but the next several dogs were not;
    2) Sometimes dogs are "off" one night, and have bad days just like anything else;
    3) Truly great dogs learn and improve, and sometimes could not overcome a difficulty they first faced ... but know how to handle it the next time.

    Jack

  5. #25
    Agree with you Jack I have saw many losers who I would own/ breed to over the dog they lost to.

  6. #26
    Quote Originally Posted by bamaman View Post
    IMO CH Silver the Sorrells dog from overseas was a great ear dog ..He did loose his last but I feel like he is a good example of ahead dog that beat some good competition..Not saying he is the best ear dog ever that a matter of opinion.
    I would like to make a correction here as I called this Sorrells blood ..This is actually Mad and Skips blood as they bred a lot.of dogs for Bert and didnt really get the credit they deserved.

  7. #27
    The Dirk dog Diane Jessup had was a Mad and Skip hound lol what a waste.That dog had 22 match wins in his ped from Mad and Skip , he was a well bred dog.The Silver dog from over seas has same blood behind him.Dianne did actually collect semen off Dirk.Just a little history .She didn't get the dog directly from Mad and Skip..And no I don't even know Dianne but I know what the blood was she had.

  8. #28
    Diane Jessup herself is a waste.

  9. #29
    No truer words have ever been spoken.

    I lost to a bitch one time who was an absolute freak mouthed dog and had a ton of 'pound for pound' strength. At the hour mark it was clear I didn't have enough dog there to get her into deep enough water. My bitch was all night game and the other was a rough, front running cur. I just didn't have enough dog to go maybe 5 or 10 minutes more. (Like all, I thought I did when I left home, LOL).

    The winning dog was sold pit side for $$$$ and they asked my opinion. I was honest, if I could have had five more minutes and get the scratch on her I would have won on gameness alone. I was called a hater amongst other things. Several months later the 'winning' dog quit in less than 15 for a lot of $$$$$$. Months after that I bred my bitch. Two years after that the two males in the litter won on the same night. In the grand scheme of things I won, alike 'lost the battle but won the war' concept.

    Great post Jack. Although 'winner' carries a lot of weight it can be a misleading term.



    Quote Originally Posted by CA Jack View Post
    That is the thing about losing: people in dogs seem to think it means the dog is no good if he loses ... or is somehow "less than" another dog that never lost.

    "Oh, if so-and-so lost, then he can't possibly be as good as X, who never lost."

    In some cases this could be true, in others nothing could be further from the truth.

    The dog who lost to one opponent may whip the daylights out of some other dog who never lost.

    Three things are true:

    1) Styles make fights, and one dog's style may have been a problem for Silver, but the next several dogs were not;
    2) Sometimes dogs are "off" one night, and have bad days just like anything else;
    3) Truly great dogs learn and improve, and sometimes could not overcome a difficulty they first faced ... but know how to handle it the next time.

    Jack

  10. #30
    Nut
    Guest
    Good posts, and let;s not forget about human mistakes when it comes to losses. Must be the nr 1 reason for losing after losing with the lesser dog.

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