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Thread: The costs and benefits of inbreeding.

  1. #21
    Interesting, Bossman. So you never have more than 3 dogs plus pups on the yard?

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    No Sir had more than 3 at time but started with 3, rebuilt using 3.
    There have been may of times over the years I would cull down to 3 .
    More than once all the way down to one Hicks Cross Fire.
    Then I had gotten 3 females but only used 2.
    Flame & Key Key . One male & 2 females. 3.
    I would breed 2 dogs & keep the whole litter or at least 2 pups from each litter .
    Once I did that than one or both parents could go.
    Breed 2 keep 2, let go of 2.
    3 steps. LOL.
    If I had kept the whole litter I would work my way down to the best one or two.
    As of now I got rid of all males except one male & two prospects males a total of 3 males.
    I have some females but only use 2 with one on stand by . Once again 3.
    I did a breeding & plan on keeping one female & best 2 males from that litter .
    3.
    it's what I do & used to doing.
    Just my way .
    Here's website for more info.
    http://www.freewebs.com/ruffcuctt/hicksdogs.htm

  3. #23
    That's pretty cool. I like the way you work!

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  5. #25
    I'm late to this read but good one. My question is when talking about coi what gen are they going off of, 4th or 10th?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bossman311 View Post
    I myself did everything in a certain order.
    Years before I created my own family I studied & learned as many ways.
    The 1st lesson I learned was to know what to use & what to get rid of.
    Fire!!! You can only pick 3 if there is a fire & you need to maintain your family. Which ones to you take with you if you have a fire?
    I picked the 3 & cleared the yard. That room is need for future breeding's.
    In order to pick the best you must go thru the whole litter each litter.
    Picking pups based on looks won't cut it if you are basing your dogs on performance.
    I was told to stick with 3 at a time. You can maintain better with lessor numbers & identify problem when they come up easier with less blood working with. Last good one , 1st bad is always the problem.
    I knew I would have to make my own outcrosses to maintain a single standard.
    Families are like Trees . More than one root, more than one branch & more than one leaf. You may like a certain dog but get better pups going heaver with another & using that dog as the out cross.
    I knew the importance of not combing all at once in case cross did not work out well you won't have to get rid of all & start over from scratch each time.
    It was more important to me to find breeding styles or breeding schemes for many of breeders as a whole on average more than just dogs that made families stand out. Good families will always produce great dogs over time but great dogs may never produce a single good family.
    The same dogs bred different ways can give you different results. Even belly mates will go in different directions.
    One example is Sorrell's Bull & Indian Bolio . Even though not belly mates, they have the exact same blood from exact same dogs but are bred different .
    Different Breeders used different styles in developing there own families. In time dogs even looked different even though have same core.
    It was more important on dogs style than it was how bred. If dog worked than all ways good. If dog didn't how he was bred did not matter.
    It's always best -best ,but the breeding scheme stays in a certain order order. The bulldogs will always show you which ones in what litters to breed .
    1st step was basing bulldogs on what I liked in a working dog & not even caring about how bred.
    After locking in the desired traits this would be a core. But you can change the core just as you do the top & bottom.
    Lock in traits by 4 generations . Take one that closet to family standard & breed to 2 other dogs that have what foundation dog is lacking in.
    Find purest version. Now restart process with new set of 3 dogs & create a new Core dog.
    This will be your new foundation . A solid base that should keep the style you like.
    Same as before, once foundation is locked in add 2 more dogs to keep the vigor & ad what dogs may lack in.
    If core is based on 3, one you created & 2 well established , new 2 dogs should also be based on 3 families.
    I use 9 pure-almost pure families combined into a single family.
    As long as I line breed more than inbreed than chances are I will never need to out cross again even though I have other dogs as outcrosses already.
    I used over a dozen different breeding schemes over the years . Got good results from more than a few but I stick more to one that is just as time proven as the breed itself these days.
    After so many generations the dogs are set in a family standard. Even though there are 9 families in it , each litter looks the same or close enough to it to know that they are of the same family.
    The 9 families I used to make a family not only works for me but can also go with other families.
    The family broken dog consist of ;
    Hicks, Sorrell's, Browns (Alligator) as the base.
    Clemmons(Eli/Zebo) , Reddick's (Herman=Eli) , Holland's (Red Boy)
    And Patrick's (Bolio) , Ratliffs (Butckus =Bolio/Tants)& Crabbs ( Maloney)
    When it's all said and done, I spent too many years with them not to have my own.

    http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum...p?dog_id=62787

    Thanks

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