Unfortunately cannot say what vengence production capability was because he had zero ability to do so. He may have been ability and production but being sterile is a raw deal with such a capable hound. His bro choko has put some nice ones out there. Always have liked the look and what I've seen and heard from this stuff. And on a side note jack. They took a daughter of that gr CH littermate of ponchobacks opponent to a son of silverback. An interesting combo of solid hounds.
I saved Ch Vengence life. His owner tried cranking him up with a male that was not fully started himself, he then pulled him and tried starting him with a rough bitch that was in heat (SMH) Vengence was completely confused at this point and his owner was going to shoot the 13 month old Warrior. I pointed out from the get go he had fucked him wrong in every way possible. I told him to take him home let him mature out some more and try him again. The next go around I personally picked one out for him off a buddy's yard that was fully started and didnt fuck around. Vengence handled his ass with ease and figured out real quick by controling the ivory would not get touched. He blew through several more prospects without a single scratch. Few months later got his first win. I bred twice to Ch Vengence and got nothing. I used a daughter of VISE-GRIP'S CHASE POR and a Daughter of VISE-GRIP'S HERO. Truely a heartbreaking disappointment to know he could not produce.....Kilo
Jesus, I wonder how many quality dogs are wasted because of owners like that? Sad
Hundreds. Thousands. Far too many to count.
(don't think he is in this database.)
I saw ABU as a 14 month old. Same story. Not ready. A big puppy. He did not fire up and whoop the world on his first attempt so he was a cull. I liked how he was bred and had seen some good ones from that bottom side. I talked him into letting me use him. Brought him home, gave him some time, gave him a few lessons and he blossomed. For whatever reason when he turned on, been schooled and ready for a shot he decided to be a bad habit dog. From an easy keeper to a chain getter.
We scheduled him a shot and he showed well. Broken and flattened hangers and all. With teeth and good habits could have done more. But since he didn't stop the world at 14-15 months he was a cull.
Unfortunately it happens all the time.
EWO
Where can i get some of the silver back poncho stock that's working
Originally Posted by Kilo
Good thing for Vengeance you were there
It is absolutely astounding how hard some people try to fuck up a wet dream ... literally by doing every single thing wrong ... and yet "the dog" gets the bullet ... when IN FACT the owner deserves the bullet
Jack
As an offspring of Silverbacks, how was Coca-Rilla as far as traits and how she produced,.seems she took after Silverbacks as far as color type....would really like to know.
The Duke Nukem dogs I've seen (I can count them on one hand) were all busy workers but no mouth and not very high ability. One son of Duke I rolled with was a short, stocky built, hard driving no mouth no ability dog who beat some bum 1w OTC and then got killed in his first and only contracted match by a bad ass puppy used as a replacement. Never saw that dog make a bad sign though.
It's been years back but I lost a male off of Duke Nukem X Sharzy to a horrific yard accident http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum...p?dog_id=54123 his name was Kilo's Deuce. when this male was only 18 months old he got off his chain and into a hard biting Turtle Buster male after exchanging and taking about the size of a baseball of flesh from the Turtle Buster dogs shoulder he was grabbed by another dog named Bucky that my buddy was holding for a good friend of ours that had paid 30k for this fully schooled out prospect he was bred and schooled by a very well known dogman. Well I'm sure Bucky and Kenny played tug o war with Deuces' ass for awhile as our dogs at the time only had about 2ft of space between each chain spot. Anyways He was having dogs stolen that is why my buddy brought the dog to our yard. To make a long story short that 30k prospect looked about a $2.50 cent hooker when Deuce was done with his ass. He then was grabbed by another next chain spot over all in all he destroyed 4 hard biting SOB's smashing out most of the teeth on the third one by the fourth dog he had died leaving a trail of pure disaster in dead winter during a storm. So you could imagine what my buddy said when I called him and said I dont think this 30k dog is going to make it haha I only got 2 pups out of this breeding to Duke Nukem and both could close that mouth very well. My experience with mine. Kilo
Hey Kilo, you still got Lil Boom? You doing breedings with him?
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