Oh shit. Other thing I thought was funny. they were like. He's breeding them! "the audacity he's letting dogs fuck. the horror. breeding them."
Oh shit. Other thing I thought was funny. they were like. He's breeding them! "the audacity he's letting dogs fuck. the horror. breeding them."
The condition of his animals disqualifies this man from being excused and i would vote he doesnt get them back. It's bullshit and there's no excuse for these conditions.
Having dogs dont make you a dogman and being a dogman does grant you immunity to neglect your stock.
The more i think about it. I just think he fucked up. These dogs are an addiction. He doesn't really have the set up for more than a few dogs He prob bought some. They started breeding. Then he had all these puppies you can't get rid of like you thought you could. He doesn't know what he wants. He buys a bunch of good dogs different bloodlines. Never knows each dog. My dogs are in a crate when i go to work. I don't want them outside. People steal. I don't want a bunch of chain spots in my neighborhood or my dogs poisoned. My dogs are out under my supervision. there are a lot days where I had to work more than eight hours and came home to piss and shit in a crate. I can't tell you how much piss and shit I have cleaned. That being said. I know what I want. Im only having one breeding a year maybe two. I know what i want. People kill me with this positive thinking shit. "Hey I can jump off the top of a building and make it." I'm the guy that like. "nah. shit wont work. How tall is the building? you got that bouncy stunt man stuff under you?" They say i overthink. Measured to who? I have been thinking about what I want out of a dog for years. Luckily someone gave me some good dogs. I spent time with the mother and father he gave me. I know them intimately. I raised the pups in the house. Cleaning up puppy shit in a kids wading pool. I know the personalities of those pups and I know the personalities of them relative to the parents. Got rid of the ones that don't fit with what I want. Got rid of by selling or placing with friends. Maybe I got rid of my best dogs. I still don't have a big ass dog footprint. Im slowing making progress to the dogs I want. People get over extended. Lose a job now you can't buy dog food to feed forty dogs. I'm trying to get seconds from deer processing plants. Chicken necks and backs to lower my feed bill, keep quality etc. You used to have quality mentors in dogs. Maybe that's nostalgia for how things used to be.
Having too many dogs to care for properly is a messed up situation to be in.Before you know it dogs end up in the wrong hands because you are desperate to get rid of them or they suffer being crated and wallowing in their own filth.
SBCK
this is true. this is why i don't breed a lot. why i like hard workers. i saw a guy bragging how his dog looked without doing work.these are the lazy fools that believe its the dog not the man. there's no consistency. they don't know their line ie average turn on times, traits etc. roll young and dump. Usually leads to dogs running loose in the streets. they don't know how to put a dog down, so they show up in shelters after surviving gunshot wounds. that's why i focus on a line. They are prob the reason stuff is illegal and should stay that way. Should be a way to let the responsible people do what needs to be done. I Know my dogs. You don't end up with a yard of 400 dogs while you try to find the superstars. They end up hoping on a superstar. even if they get a b grade dog that could be better with work they will loose to someone they should have beat. as it has been said “Hard work beats talent, when talent doesn't work hard.” Maybe people end up in prison who should be there. I wish sometimes the legalities were different. I have to fight the urge to call a weight when this guy thinks his dog will win because of who he's out of. I already know this story. Find a medium talented, super game dog with wind and brains. Get to 30 or 40 minutes and stop their rough curs left and right. Then you're this phenom. Now everybody wants to buy your dog. your name gets out there. Then peta comes. then irs, le etc. I long for the day it was a gentlemen's game. It prob was never a true gentlemen game. Just a game for rough type dues. Blacksmiths like tudor, coal miners etc etc instead of good people mixed in with drug dealers. Mayfield beat a lot of people with conditioning. One of the old time doggers said if Mayfield gets you to 30 minutes you're gonna loose just go ahead and pick up. You're right about the breeding thing. You try to work out places for dogs to go before they are born. Most of my litters from here on wont be fit for pet homes. Just hog hunters and historical aficionados. Its just funny when people hear a dog has a shitty work ethic and they want it thinking its some 15 minute killer. Makes me want to call weight and take their money. i know centipede didn't work. There are alway exceptions. He was a phenom. It would be dumb to breed a yard full of dogs with no work ethic.
Having that many dog in a metropolitan city is just not smart at all. Unless you have 2-3 reliable ppl helping you it's way more than one person can handle.
True.
Makes you think what is truly ideal? I got three dogs looking on adding a fourth fortunately I have someone I trust to feed and walk when work calls for longer days. Decent sized yard, full basement and garage for additional space if needed. I truly don't understand how folks living in the city limits have several dogs. I do understand how these dogs could be an addiction though. We make a routine and soon your like yea I can add another and so on.
His first mistake was his location. The pacific northwest is full of tree hugging hippies that have different views on how dogs should be kept then down in the south. I know people with large yards in populated suburbs here in the south.
I think people get start struck sometimes with these dogs too. I grew up wanting pups off this one dog. I didn't have a 1000k to pay for a pup. You get to a day you can have some of these things. Then you can pay a stud fee and breed to the dogs. Then you get obsessed adding this bit from this dog and this bit from that one. Hey all these pups will sell. It doesn't happen like that. I had my first litter in the house. I had a kids wading pool in front of the couch. Watching and handling pups, changing bedding two or three times a day. They got great care. Reason I say this is I know they personality of the pups from the beginning. I know people build puppy pens. Im sure it works. I feel like i know my pups. I know which one grabbed a hold and was a pain in the ass getting off. I know which ones couldn't figure out how to get out in the front of the crate to get to the food. The same food the same way we have been doing for weeks. Basically she's a jocko dog. She's still the same way. Only reason I say that is that people think they need so many dogs. They don't know enough about their dogs to maximize what they have. Somebody said on facebook something about the old bull and the young bull. The whole let's walk down there and fuck all the cows vs running down and fucking one. I think the point is what you said about knowing what you can feed. I have a bad situation know. I know my horses have a round bale that can feed them another week or two, I have a pasture i can tie them out to eat grass. My dogs have food. I think he got over extended. My friend said he was trying to sell dogs like he knew he had too many. Sometimes stuff happens to teach a lesson. My first litter was like that. I thought I would get more for them than I did. Especially for the time I put in. Evo said its a time drain. I believe him. Id do it again. Now people are satisfied with the pups they got. and are wanting to buy the two i kept for myself. I'm really not trying to sell pups. Just be able to have a little concentration of blood, buy dog food and vet bills. Honestly even if I lost money I'd rather keep what I use. I don't want my blood out.Originally Posted by Cowboy666
Carrying capacity is a concept some people may benefit from learning. Basically with cattle and horses there is a number the system can contain. Water wise, food wise, parasite wise. I'd try to stay under it and if I got over it I would immediately try to get under it. To me the four I have now is too much. I'd like to get to three while i work on a place outside the city. I'm in a suburb my I keep my dogs low, on a leash and under control. They don't give me a lot of grief. I hope he gets it straight. I think the loss of mentors makes some things like this happen more often.
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