All dogs descendants of wolves???

[Officially Retired]

Coyotes and jackals are a different species all together. For your reading pleasure.
http://www.nationalpost.com/m/wp/new...skull-suggests

Real quick, since I am working on a couple of different things at the moment, the first thing that must be understood in reading these pieces is that ALL of these posits are nothing but theories; they're not facts.

Second, since these theories and hypotheses aren't facts, this means there isn't agreement anywhere, even among scientists: ("The team’s research has added important new information to a lively debate among scientists over where, when and how dogs evolved from wolves.") ... as "lively debates" among scientists MEANS disagreement

Thus, essentially, we're choosing what we believe ...

Thirdly, regarding my own beliefs, on the link you posted (post #26), aside from the quote I put up above, there is this quote: “Some researchers have presented genetic evidence suggesting all dog lineages emerged following a particular domestication event in ancient China, though other studies point to dog origins in the Middle East. Crockford said that from the Siberian case and other examples of partial domestication 'it seems pretty clear that if it can get started and stop that it could have happened in any number of places at different times around the world,'” which is my own view, namely that emerging peoples all over the world domesticated whatever dogs they had access to.

IMO, some of these scientists need to stop measuring skulls and actually think for a minute. The idea that men didn't capture and domesticate dogs and perform selective breeding is ludicrous. We have been capturing, using, and modifying animals almost since we could walk upright. For some theorist to suggest that animals evolved around us is preposterous. Does anyone really think the chihuahua came from its own selective process? Or the snub-nosed bulldog? These animals are freaks and abomonations of nature that could never survive on their own. We created them.

Going back in time to pre-history, sure, there is some truth that smarter dogs (like coyotes and wolves) learned to scavenge off of us ... but, by God, we were already hoarding cattle and chickens, were we not? Does anyone think that we didn't capture wolves and coyotes too? (And whatever else we could capture?)

Just as we tamed horses, so to did we tame dogs, so some woman measuring skulls isn't going to convince me that we humans didn't breed these dogs too (for our own specifications) in exactly the same way we've bred horses, pigs, goats, chickens, cattle, etc., etc.

And since there is no agreement among scientists, and since the traditional view is in alignment with my own, I absolutely choose to believe the basic, common horse sense that WE domesticated the dog in exactly the same fashion we've domesticated so many other animals ... and that to believe that all these animals "came to us" and evolved around us (like we're too clueless to have anything to do with it by coming to them) is borderline retarded.

Jack

[waccamaw]

The red wolf was native sc ,we had a few left .then the game biologist started trapping red wolves in Texas I think some had bred with coyotes ,they kept running test to get the purest red wolf to put on Bull island ,sc ?there they had several breeding pairs .

[CYJ]

Book of James Chapter 3 verse 7 says; For every kind of beasts, and of birds, and of serpents, and of things in the sea, is tamed and has been tamed of mankind.

Ecclesiastes Chapter 1 verses 8-11 says; All things are full of labor; man cannot utter it: the eye is not satisfied with seeing, nor the ear filled with hearing. The thing that has been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun. Is there anything whereof it may be said, See, this is new? it has been already of old time, which was before us. There is no remembrance of former things; neither shall there be any remembrance of things that are to come with those that shall come after.

By the time era at the Tower of Babel. I would think there were many types of animals being used for food, work, hunting, protection, and even for pets etc. From this dispersion of the known peoples of that ancient time; by God's confusion of the one language to many languages,(Genesis 11: Verses 6-7). The first 70 Nations were formed as these tribal groups moved across the land and resettled in various regions of the earth.

With them I feel they already had various types of dog breeds along with many other work, food type beasts etc. Through selective breeding; for what ever needed use of their dogs were. Certain foundation types of dogs over time became established. Like Scent hounds, Coursing Hounds, Mastiff types, Terrier types, and so on.

So I think all dogs come from some sort of dog type beasts that existed before the Great World Wide Flood and was preserved on the Ark. The Wolf, Fox type beasts was on that Ark as well. The dogs were dogs, wolves were wolves, foxes were foxes, lions were lions and Tigers were Tigers and so on.

Some may think we are the smartest races of Mankind today and have greater Technology than any peoples of past History. But we just got off the Horse to riding a automobile etc. say 100 to 75 years ago. Daniel the Prophet said only in the last days of man kind would knowledge be greatly increased. Today some say it is doubling every six months. You may also note that the language barrier has been greatly broken down. That is my thoughts and I am sticking to it. LOL

[BlackHeartWarrior]

that all comes back to the fact that they say dog is from the wolf family. But todays studies suggests that dogs are more like pigs then wolfs genetically.

[Black Hand]

that all comes back to the fact that they say dog is from the wolf family. But todays studies suggests that dogs are more like pigs then wolfs genetically.

what study is this, cuz dogs are like 99.9% genetically the same as a wolf.

[DLDTommy]

When I got my wolf, it was a cub from a den in the mountains of NC. No hybrid, but one of the best animals I ever had the pleasure to own. Feeding time was somewhat different however. Once given the meal, anyone had to exit the pen until it was over!

Had a buddy do some similar stuff, bad ass animal for sure and very different in terms of communication too. He also trapped a coyote and backed it up to one of his GSD's. Only got one pup but that little dog grew up to be one bad SOB as well. I guess what I'm sayin is that [nature] is fun to experiment with.

[evolutionkennels]

that all comes back to the fact that they say dog is from the wolf family. But todays studies suggests that dogs are more like pigs then wolfs genetically.

Compare dna of dog with a wolf. Then do the same with a dog and a pig....


Drumroll....... Wolf!

[Black Hand]

yeah im searching and do not see anything that relates dogs to pigs lol

[ToTheDogs]

Here's the thing.... If you run a wolf's dna and pitbull's dna, you're correct Evo, they WILL look the same BECAUSE THEY ARE BOTH DOGS! If you run your DNA and my DNA, will it not state, "THEY ARE BOTH HUMAN." ???? I'm sure it would. And when they compared DNA from Dog Breeds to Wolves.. "DNA was extracted and genetic distance for mitochondrial DNA was estimated between individuals".. So, estimating works as SCIENTIFIC FACT now?!


The paragraphs you posted and the link that you posted are ONLY theories. There is ZERO proof to their argument.

"We think the skull isn't that of a domesticated dog, because it had big teeth"

HOW STUPID DOES THAT SOUND? You think with the amount of money they are being donated to do this research they would've come to a better conclusion that that.

[Officially Retired]

For that matter, I believe we humans are at least 96-99% genetically the same as Chimpanzees ... so "a lot must happen in that 1-4% difference"

At least with some people