That is pretty much the way it's been for me. I have owned a few, schooled with a bunch, and known plenty with a lot of that stuff.
The pure ones I've seen have been slow and dumb by my standards. A couple had some real good mouth though.
The best ones I have seen seemed very rugged, and very determined, but again were slow.
Seen a couple of crosses that were pretty darned good, the whole package, but I have seen some crosses that were rank curs too. And I do mean rank.
But my Top 30 List of the absolute best dogs I have seen (dogs that were super-fast, freak-strong, athletic, smart, absolutely determined, with finish) has none of that blood in it.
Jack
Wolves..however... The reference to humans coming from monkeys is stupid. We share a common ancestor...we don't come from monkeys.. a few million years ago.. Yes.we were indeed one hominid..as evolution happened... One branched off into monkeys...one into humans... And if you don't believe that...compare DNA.. chimps and us DNA is 96% identical
Way back when I was a youngster, and they were Jocko-Redboy dogs, they often referred to as dumb 'ol Jocko-Redboy dogs. You have to beat the hell out of them, as they just keep coming, sometimes just to be coming. They bite hard and they just stay. Dogs wilted under them from time and pressure. Then over time things got better thru selection.
I think the original Red Boy dogs were the same. They had some shortcomings in the beginning and lots of those were corrected and then they were "RED BOY" dogs. Popularity and mass production have left most of them to be 'red boy' dogs. I do not see that as much with the RB-J (JR-B) dogs. EWO
That makes sense ... except that all the ones I have seen (the good ones) ... were pretty much still "slow, dumb dogs that kept at it" ... and the only improvement to that basic package was when the Bolio blood was added to it, not by adding more RBJ.
Bolio dogs are the ones who add the speed/brains to most of what they get blended with ... especially the right Bolio dogs
Jack
I definitely like it blended with the Hollingsworth blood. My rbj blood is coming thru this. http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum...p?dog_id=16860 They have speed and ability like my Vise Grip dogs. They are game tuff durable smart dogs. I must say that my Vise Grip dogs are freakishly strong athletic and smart . That's why I love the breeding I just made http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum...eeding_id=4808 I know they will be Awesome!!!! Can't wait.. Blueprint
I can tell you this, nobody wont tell you that. The dogs we hunt with are slow ,weak,dumb ,no mouth .i. Fact our dogs are extremely fast on trail,and death on a pigs heel.
A lot of the RBJ dogs now have to many outs .same with a lot of other dogs ,and as far as all these smart fast tombstone bolio dogs only a few out there ,and I am not going on hear say ,and I will give that to evolution ,and Bullard .and they had RBJ in them ,well Bullard put RBJ in his after a few hunts .these are the only two that has traits I like .
Yeah Jack they are FAT! LOL I always fatten them up around breeding time. I'm guilty of over doing it. Been giving plenty extra in hope of a large healthy litter.