Schoolboy is a top notch dogman that is respected by many but yes he has his haters too..
Schoolboy is a top notch dogman that is respected by many but yes he has his haters too..
Check out Schoolboy's book The Big Red Handbook...very good read!!!!u won't b disappointed
The registrys are all out to make money , wheter its the adba or any other one, its jsut thta theadba is the blue chip one as far as annual turnover is concerned.The adba is making millions of dollars fro the millions of pitbulls that are registered each and every year.The majority of the money they make is from the pitbul show or weightpull type owner , who will register all their litters and dogs ,which msot performance related owners will only register if at all occasional dogs or a litter
as they have no interst in conformation shows as a rule , and are inteligent enough to know its money thrown down the drain to register everytime they have pups .
If the adba had to rely on the dogman fraternity to make money , then they would only be able to affrod to run it from a room in their house and have no employes at all , let alone give each and everyone of thevgreenwood family a damn good living from it.
I think that the only reason msot folks register their dogs , whehter dogman or conformation owner ,is because they somehow feel that if the dog is not registered with in this case the adba, then it may not be looked upon as legit and will have trouble proving its heritage if its not registered and like most things we do life we do them out of being used to doing them , and registering dogs is one of them.
We regiter becasue thats part of the breed , its part of the history ,and it somehow gives more importance to our words when we talk about a bloodline and how its bred , and having a piece of paper with a 4 generation ped makes us feel good and makes the guy buying a dog from you feel good also.
If the adba or any dog registery had never existed , msot serious breeders whether conformation or dogman would as most would keep their own records in a written form on paper or now in the computer age keep a record on their computer, or on a database either their own or a web based on like this one hereon jacks site or pedsonline and others out their which are free to use .
If you gave msot folks the choice between regsitering their dogs with a registry like the adba or a web based regsitry like jacks or pedsonline and and the web based registrys or datbases were free and the adba was what it costs today to regsiter , most folks would still out of some feeling of legitmacy still prefer to have their piece of paper from a regsitry that they are used to , as they somehow think if their dogs is adba registered it has more legitmacy than with some newer regsitry or a webbased database , becasue they feel more comfortable with it .
That of course is the wrong way to think ,as if i pay my $30 to register one of my dogs with the adba, and they send me my pedigree , it has no more legitmacy than me printing off my ped from this site or another datbase site whether a paid for or fre one, as ped faking can aslo occur within the great adba as in the end if people want to post or send in fake breedings to either the adba or post them on a database they can and do , and infact rahter than register our dogs with the adba or any other regsitry out of some fear that if we dont our dogs will somehow become invisible , we should not bother registering with any paid for registry or datbase (as their are free ones out their) and keep a record of our dogs either on our own computers and or also on one of the free to use datbases out there .
Of course if you are bothered about conforamtion shows and the like ,then of course you need to register with one of the registrys ,as they dont really care about the breed , as in reality and considering our breed is the msot diverse loking within all the pure breed dogs out there , the only reason you couldnt jsut turn up on the day with your dog to any given pitbull conformation show and pay a reasonalbe entry fee and jus compete and take your chances on whether the judges deem your mutt to be a pure bred pitbull or not , is becasue they want to amke money from you the owner by having you only enter registered dogs , which then somehow makes your dog a purebred dog lol ,which as we all know thers many which are far from it but still have the papers to prove otherwise , and also in the weightpull side of things , were we all know theres a lot of pitbull cross dogs from breedings to molosos type dogs , but they got their gold standard adba or some such paperwork so thats ok lol.
We could all put a stop to anyone or their family making money off the dogs from regsitrys and databases by using the free,
ones out there .The daybases would crumble in short order if it was not for us continuing to add dogs and breedings etc to them to make them what they are today, and every registry and database could if they wanted to and were not out to just fill their pockets from the dogs , have a registry or database that was a non profit organisation and was run on brehalf of the breed by someone who cared about it and rahter than paying for every dog or litter or even a kennel name lol or a yearly sub in the case of the datbases they should take a one off fee of say $30 then everytime you want ot add something to either the registry or datbase you send in the details so they can have them for their records then if you want or need a paper ped you yoursefl print the damn thing off and guess what your dogs still bred like you know hes bred , and your pockets still got some money in them rahter than filling the pockets of these folks who instead of getting a job want you to pay their keep for them.
Their is no need ofr any pay for pedigree service today especially when we can all keep our own records , and have the use of FREE datbases which make our dogs no less bred the way we say or otherwise , and even the conformation and weightpull folks should ask the question the the variuos registrys who make you register your dogs with them before they can be shown or perform in their shows , why? Why cant you just turn up pay a fee per dog show them a ped ,and if
the dog looks ok then hes in .Seems fair to me , but its notabout fair its about how much money they can make, and boy the adba is making millions and pedsonline takes in at least $600.000 yes folks that much and guess what you put in all the work , outsied of some server work and fees , i gurantee theirs no staff running that at most the main guy and hsi aprtner
and again as pedsonline was the one that took off for our breed we all like shep jsut use it , when thers free datbases with forums but we still use pedsonline in the mostpart , why?
If the adba wanted or any registry or datbase truly wanted to help the breed without trying to fill their pockets from it,
then they could do by having evrything done online or at least have that option , and yes their would be some costs to cover, but if we do awaywith psotage fees and registry costs and have a $1 fee thsoe fees would hlp pay the server fees and generall costs , and not for the sports car of luxury hoildays etc when msot owners can hardly pay their bills .
My feeling is if you want paying or to make money from a datbase or registry , when its possible to run one or setup one which can be run by the users at little cost thus benefiting only the breed and not either one man and his family like the
adba or pedsonline does and others that you pay for , then we are moving in the right direction in the long run, and if the ones that run the payfor registrys and databases say HELL IT COSTS US SO MUCH $$$$ TO KEEP THIS UP ETC , i would say ok what is therunning cost for the year and if 1000 members need to pay x amount to keep it runing then as it grows
in memebers the csot shoud go down and down ,untill it becomes practically jsut a few cents per person, but of corusae that doesnt inlcude a salry they would like to earn for themselves , there is no salary or at best a small one of say $10.000
a year whichshould supplemnt them nicley for helping to run it, as like i said if its done online it can be done without need for anyone to be making serious money from it at all and practically no shiping cost either as we could print what peds we needed and keep all costs down .
Folks the reason that msot of the worlds busiineses make money from us humans is from our lazyiness to do things for ourselves , especially when we can and this is a case in point , we have the means, the internet , and we dont even need to setup our own site if we dont want ot as their a a variety of free datbases out their , but our own lazyiness and that feeling of staying with with we know lol rahter than try something different and in this case free means the entrepeneurs keep mking money from that state of mind , so instead of asking hich reg should i use bla bla bla, lets not use any , our dogs wont disappear and they wont be bredany different than yesterday , it has never been easier to do this , dont think that if you stop subscribing on peds or here or using the adba or another rip off reg that your world will end , it wont , and i wonder when you need one of htese money making regs or databses to help you fight some BSL whether they will give back some of that hard earned money of yours, or just say ( were with you all the way son , but not as far as the bank ) guess what you never get a cent from those types not never , cos they have one thing on thier mind its called MONEYYYYYY
That is The Mission of This Database: namely to become a peer-governed, paperless registration body ... and the more people slow down, take the time to read/watch the video instruction, the more they will understand the true potential of this place ... and the more it will slowly-but-surely transform into this ideal over time
Jack
Hi jack , i hope that happens but this is a pay for forum/ database , and not the ideal scenario if the breed and not the man is to benefit from it , so are you saying that you will be heading towards a free forum/database in the future ?Originally Posted by CA Jack
That is The Mission of This Database: namely to become a peer-governed, paperless registration body ... and the more people slow down, take the time to read/watch the video instruction, the more they will understand the true potential of this place ... and the more it will slowly-but-surely transform into this ideal over time
Jack
In answer to your rhetorical question, no. This database requires a colossal effort on my part ... to create, to maintain, to keep building upon ... and I do not work this hard for free. No one does.
I am curious, why is "free" so important to you anyway? Are you broke? You can't afford to pay $30 again or something?
For your information, I have given away "free" help and advice online since 1996 ... and I have busted my ass writing so many helpful posts and articles over the years that there is no way to account for it all. During this time, I am curious as to WTF have YOU done for this breed? Really, what do YOU do besides bitch and moan?
Why don't YOU undertake a colossal effort like this one ... or start your OWN registration body "for free"? Answer me that, Sherlock. Because if you ever decide to grow a backbone, and actually DO SOMETHING positive for this breed, instead of sit there and fantasize about it, you will quickly find out what a stupid idea yours is that efforts like this be "for free."
As a a matter of fact, I noticed that you have been here since December of 2012 and yet you have only made 31 posts as of this writing.
A quick check through whatever few posts you've made shows that not a single one has been instructional, or helpful, in any way. That tells me a lot about who you really are
Most of your posts have been bitching and moaning (are we surprised to learn?) about money. First it was Limey's stud fees, then it's about registration bodies, and now it's about me charging for this database.
You really are sounding like a penny-pinching crybaby pal ... and, quite frankly, your ideas are ridiculous.
FACE THIS FACT: The ADBA has done more for this breed than you ever will in your life ... and, for that matter, so have I.
It is easy to bitch and moan. It is easy to criticize the work of others, while you sit on your own ass and fail to do a single GD thing for this breed yourself.
So my suggestion to you is to get up off your own ass, and "be the change you want in the world," and stop talking about it.
Go ahead and create a "free" registry with your own time, your own money, and your own colossal advertising efforts ... or sit down and shut tf up. Because I guarantee you will cur and quit in less than one year ... if you ever get the spine to do something about it ... meanwhile the ADBA has been going strong for DECADES. And I guaranf***entee you, you will NEVER (out of your own time, your own talents, and your own efforts) EVER come close to doing what I have done to help put out helpful info for the breed.
You can start doing something positive for this breed by not crying so much about what others do (or don't do) and instead try to BE this perfect, selfless, "spend all the hours of your waking life working for these dogs ... and give it all away for free" dogman you keep fantasizing about.
Jack
The $30 is worth it just to be able to avoid the Springer show the other place has become. We all should be more supportive when folks in our breed develop a legal enterprise. Keep up the good work Jack.
its not owned by terry...... its owned by garland juarez and endorsed/sponsored by richard "sb" garcia.......2td doesnt know wtf theyre talking about.....hell, join the group and talk to GP yourself........
talked to the guy several time, he's good people!
Well said Jack! You've given enough free info already in my opinion. I bought most of your DVD collections and boy was I pissed to find out that most of your videos are free on YouTube and they are all free on your website here once subscribed. I wasn't pissed off that I had to pay for mine...Honestly they were worth more than what I paid for them...just pissed off that you made it free to everyone who subscribed.I don't see any better deal than this! People just need to be more supportive and appreciate the things others do for them to make their life easier.
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