This thread is an insane waste of time.
DELETE - it brings down the credibility of this website
This thread is an insane waste of time.
DELETE - it brings down the credibility of this website
WOw you are one piece of work NQK your come on hear and call me a lair, i go out of my way to contact a member CYJOriginally Posted by No Quarter Kennel
who i didnt know at all ,but who seemed to be a knowledgeable and reasonable man by his posts , and who had made comments that he knew mayfeild and jackson , so thought if he heard the tapes he could confirm it as he did , and infact the first thing cyj said to me was (thats mayfields voice alright) and infact i am going to play him the audio
of maloney and others , and i would even call you to play it over the phone, but as you wouldnt belive it anyway as your
shitty appolgy showed, you can take it and stick where the sun dont shine .
AS for me wanting to prove people as dishonest, well to answer your question, NQK
this thread is about disputed peidgreews, i wonder if you even bothered to look at the psots which do have some good points , form various people ,and maybe its just me, but i wonder if you would be saying that if you had an interest in a line or the breed as you should being you call yourself a breeder , wouldnt you like to know how arguably the seocnd most important line of modern times was really bred ? or only if it meant being able to disagree with me i wonder.
Nqk i have no doubt seeing how you with no reason and certainly no evidence called me a lair and said i didnt have the tapes, and your caling me obbsesed by wanting to asking questions about how some famous dogs might or might not have been bred ? you are a piece of work and i would gladly call you and play you some audio and then tell you to take a hike .
By the way i agree with you that many of the men we talk about have not lead the msot saintly of lives ,and as such just
blindly taking anyones word is stupid, but you see the audios which don recodred are his conversations with other men talking also so we have the words of more than one man , so that always helps when weighing up any theorys any of us may have , but there are some people who are dishonest in one way but wouldnt be dishonest about something else, and theirs many examples of that, im sure we all know or have a friend who might in one way have negative points but we like
them , but as we know them we can make exceptions for that side of them, and the same goes im sure for every damn one of us.
Now NQK you can choose to be the lesser man and to make me such an appology shows what a little man you really are , but if thats the level of man you are then you are no sportsman , even two fighters shake hands win or lose, and to be honest i dont dislike you i never have , its you who decided you disliked me since i told you something you didnt like hearing about, and i was actually trying to help you , but thats your loss not mine, and ever since all you do is try to put me down and even accused me of lying with no good reason , so before you go calling anyone a lair or obbssed take a good look at yourself NQK and if you have any decency you will give me an honest appology not that shamefull sarcastic one you posted , that was a disgracefull thing to do but as i am a bigger man than you merry chrsitmas all the same .
No NQK people like you who accuse others of lying and are then are proven to be wrong and then arent man enough to give a decent appology bring this website down, you might try posting something about the subject of the thread instead of fighting a losing battle with me .
What does it matter now? Blind Billy/ Eli family have stood the test of time,as for Mayfield not breeding to Tombstone well if you ask me and look at Tombstone production Mayfield made the wrong choice. I just think this whole thing is childish now ,what do you expect to come from it by arguing on Jacks board? The ADBA is nt going to change records after all this time. Floyds line has stood the test of time just like the Tombstone line has and the Mayfield line has faded to the yards of collectors and history buffs ,just like most of the Colby blood today. In the end it does nt matter and history has been written. If there was a issue it should have been taken care of years ago when the dogs and players were still all around. Yis Ole Man
Ragedog i agree it wont change our dogs today , and yes tombstone did go on and make a great record as a producer.
but mayfield wouldnt breed to him not being able to be 100% sure that baby and not gina was his dam, but he did keep
breeding rights to the dog in case he ever did find out for sure how he was bred .
I also agree that the blind billy eli line has stood the test of time, but the point is exactly that ragedog, is it the blind billy eli line or infact as i believe and as i believe the evidence proves it to be the cry babyx cotton eli line .That is something that we can at least amongst ourselves try to make right, why if the evidence is there should we not do it, it isnt
right and mayfield at least deserves credit as the breeder of the eli litter , as anyone who can look at the evidence provided on blind billy would be hard pressed to say he was sired by dibo ,in whch case eli cant be out of billy billy
but is out of ,as most suspected at the time crybaby x cotton, and to me when i hear anyone else say (well lets just leave it like it is and say nothing, ) is like saying well lets leave that man in prison who is innocent of murder and
leave the guilty man free , and that ragedog is not the way i look at it , so why is everyone so damn happy to keep up the pretence that nothings wrong with that.
Actually the adba can has has rectified pedigrees of dogs with far less evidence than there is on blind billy , so that would also be the correct thing to do , as i dont see why floyd whos line as you rightly say has stood the test of time, should not at least acknowledge the very big part that eli played in him being able to make floyd and his line famous and as such also acknowledge the true breeder of that litter , without which that may never have happened to floyd, because if floyd felt the need to use another mans work to start his line and pass it off as his , what does it tell you about the mans own line at that time that he felt he needed to do that to mayfield , so lets not forget that shall we.
Your last point about floyds line and tombstones line still being relavant comapred to mayfield lines , well that depends on what you know and who you talk to, not everything is on peds online ,and i think theres so much more to be told about the many dogs mayfield put into tha hands of other dogmen jsut like he had been given by tudor before him ,that did very well with them , and if we talk about floyds line or even the tombstone line, well both lines were if we belive baby to be the true dam of tombstone , of pure family breeding , and mayfield at that time when eli was born was beginging breeding his family and would later go on to breed that same tudor family more or less exclusivly and as i said floyd went on and bred the eli line but
had mayfield not been screwed over by floyd and taken his pups home with him ,then rather than try to take away from mayfield any rightfull credit for that litter that he bred , which is what has been done upto now, we would talking about mayfields eli and what he did with them, and that chance was taken away from him , just like when pit general was stolen and taken away from any history he might have gone on to have as a producer with mayfield , so if anyone thinks thats fine and dandy to just let that slide then your wrong and if it happend to you you would think so to .
I hope the Taliban don't get a hold of all this top secret stuff that ProjectX has accumulated. This could set the whole country back some. This is some serious stuff. Danny Burton called I was going to tell everything he said about this stuff but I decided not to that might even increase some more of ProjectX' Rant. A fellow can just write a little bit of a rebuttal and he will throw a book at you. I have decided after talking to some of my friends about this. That this man battles with his mouth and his pen or his keyboard. He never has battled with his dogs. He gets so excited he breaks the sound barrier with his typing speed. Trying to fault old dogmen. I know he has never fought a dog he'd have to hospitilized after that type excitment. I'm going to write an article about him on my web. That way the country can decide about ProjectX for themselves. I will post his ideas and he can't disagree on there. I have as many as 5000 readers a day. That ought to get some opinions going. See You nice folks and the walking pitbull breeding encyclopedia Projectx around. Jack this ought to attract lots of readers. I'm not giving out any apologies on this one. But I do hope for a two page Rant from ProjectX.
Randy you are a very sad individual, you talk about everything but the subject, and you are the one who demeans the very word game, you have shown your lack of gameness in trying to avoid and sidestep everything i said , apart from the the tombstone story , but on what i would think any person involved with this breed of dog would actually find interesting ,the discussion of
a line like elis would be very important if we could clear it up some dont you think .
You randy would rather try to discreit what im saying by claiming i have never matched a dog, well thats seems like a lame way of trying to avoid being a man randy and put your balls on the line,about a breeding as you never fail to do so when you think you can put confusion into a topic or have your say, but your so scared to admit mayfield was right about billy and eli , that you resort to saying hogwash like that about me, as if it would somehow make any difference to the facts
not secrets that i presented on the matter , and if you think there so out of this world why dont you shoot them down randy, that should be easy for you im sure.
As for going around calling people up and talking to them about me, and claiming i never had one between my legs, well who the hell did you call , im not here to brag on what i may or may not have done , and whoever you talked to would have to know who i am for them to tell you anything about me personally not by a nick on a forum now wouldnt they randy.
By the way you can run but you cant hide randy so keep running away from the truth, and like i said to you you dont have to say anyttihng about eli or billy if you dont want to, but considering your trying to now sheep dip me wouldnt you
be better served to just man up and grow a pair rather than look foolish by trying to have a pissing contest about who
fought more dogs, as if that would make black turn white somehow , and turn a lie into the truth.
Randy you can and never will be able to play games with me like you do with others who might believe you , i am a little to ahead of you for that one, so either say something other than showing how scared you are of me by your posts ,and how you wish i could be silenced so others who may not have known or ever thought about such matters might actuall start thinking about them , i would never try to get you banned, or any hater, i would rather stand and fight my corner how about you randy ? Funny thing is randy you say your willing to talk about me on your website and post my ideas, which are not my ideas, there facts that are out there regading the blind billy eli theory, but you wont do it here cos here you cant control what people read and neither can i randy , but thats called freedom to decide randy so lets have your view it wont kill you randy the truth
will actually set you free , of course unless you have an out of this world theory of your own as to how dibo could have ever possibley have sired blind billy, which i for one would love to hear and im sure many others would also, but im guessing that wont ever happen .
Ok if someone wants to make a usefull post with a theory based on common sense and maybe a few facts such as they may be on any of the dogs mentioned so far keep em coming , or any new ones you want to mention.
Now i would like put forward the next dog which has had some disscusion over the years to his pedigree , and
thats adams grch zebo , who some believed may have been sired by the ELI dog and others never doubting his
known pedigree, i for one am open to any possibilty and it would be nice to hear any views or theorys about it.
Blind Billy produced a whole family of dogs that are still relevant today Fact. Eli produced a whole family of dogs that changed the game Fact. Patrick produced a family of dogs that are still relevant today Fact. Mr.Fox has more knowledge than you and me and was a hell of a dogman Fact. Pit General was bred by Burton and sold to Mayfield and then stolen Fact. Trying to change history on this site to give Mayfield Credit for the Eli line is not going to happen..Yis Ole Man
Ragedog , you obviously didnt read my post fully, i never once said that we should give mayfield credit for the eli line,
i said that as the blind blly dog doesnt show to be bred as papered by floyd, then it
would stand to reason if that is correct then crybaby x cotton were infact the sire and dam to eli and mayfield
should get his credit as the breeder of elis litter not the line, unfortunaly he was robbed of that ,but the we can do if proven correct is give him his basic credit as the breeder dont you thnk so ragedog.
As for your Facts, what exactly are they, you say that blind bllly produced a whole line of dogs, but thats what were trying
to find out in this thread ragedog, was it actually blind billy ? and if we can prove billy was not eli's sire then where does thast leave your Facts ? Do you think billy is out of dibo ragedog ? have you looked at the facts i presented ,that have been around
for many years and not all my own ? So ragedog if you can tell me based on the facts already presented that you still
believe billy is out of dibo , then please explain why you beleive that with some facts or a theory asto why ,just as i have done to suggest he wasnt.
As for randy knowing more than me, well after all his years he should do,but it doesnt look like it to me ,if he doesnt beleive
billy has a fake ped, he should be able to shoot me down shouldnt he ? And im still waiting to hear his view either for or against mine on billys breeding , but his offering up nothing in this debate about billy apart from trying to smear me so
he can avoid saying anytihng that might prove mayfield was right about billy and eli,but it would kill randy to do it, because he trys
every chance he can to put any doubt into any story mayfiedl ever talked about, and randy is never normsally lost for words ,and look how much time he spends talking about me ,when
he might have at least given us his view one way or the other ,maybe hes hoping he can make people belive im mad aswell as mayfield rather than give us an opinion ,
i wonder why that is ragedog any guess's ? Maybe cos mayfield was right ?
And ragedog i think i also said that tombstone produced a great record as a porducer, so why are you saying that to me i agree of course he did
and i also said general was stolen and as such mayfield lost the opportunity
to further match him or breed him , and i asked you ragedog, who now wants to stick up
for poor old randy if you would like to be screwed over and think its ok to just take it , when if we can prove
that mayfield had the credit he deserved for breeding eli taken away from him, and a the chance to
also breed those dogs himself as he made the breeding lets not forget for himself , then do you
think that is absolutly acceptable in your opinion ? but i hope im wrong on that score
and that if you ever breed dogs now or in the fuutre and the same thing happens to you that i believe happend to mayfield
with eli, then i hope you find out and can get it put right ,isnt that the american way ragedog well maybe you
didnt read the facts , im not going to bother repeating them again if you want to see them there on this thread ,and
just so you and anyone else dont keep saying i want mayfield to get credit for the eli line, i dont, i would like anyone who has been robbed as the breeder of any litter they have breed to at least be given that credit when it can be proven as such, by the greater fraternity and i belive if the evidence is strong then also by the adba , but thats another matter .
Lets think about this for just one minute ,if after looking at the evidence or proof on billy
and its shows to be true, then eli would be automatically be doubtfull based on the fake billy
ped and i think that even randy might have to agree if not on a public forum that mayfield was indeed correct and is the breeder of the eli litter.
Now if going forward from that , we say that mayfield not only lost his right as the breeder, but also of being able to do what he had intended to do with that litter and as such was
robbed of that opportunity, as he was robbed of that opportunity to breed pit general who
he did not breed ,but who he would have undoubtedly bred into his family of dogs ,and again that was robbed from him, so ragedog i ask you out of courtesy , please look at the evidence i presented about billy which leads on to eli and if you dont agree with my view, please explain why with a theory or facts that makes more sense than the facts that i
presented to explain my theory, but if you do find that you agree with my theory, then
i think you will understand why i think it should be put right not just to give mayfield the
basic credit he desrves for the breeding , and to somehow balance out his lost opportunity, but for the game and breed in general so that we dont just acceppt that this happens and
we should just do and say nothing , even when we can, thats all i ask ok.
Now as you can see i have moved on to another dog, so im not going to wait for a miracle
from certain people on here, who only want to play mind games that they can't win, id rather keep the thread moving and i have posted another dog to the topic , before im accused of wanting to demonise somenone , but just remmber it takes two to tango ,and they try to play games im there , but anyway ragedog that wasnt about you they know who they are , but i would honestly like your view so if you can please take the time to give your considered opinion one way or the other i thank you.
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