Balkan Rules vs Cajun Rules

[R2L]

For the people that didn't know. According the balkan rules the handler's can only handle their dogs when both dogs are out of hold for 3 seconds and not on own initiative. The referee will count to 3 and at 3 both have to handle their dogs and if connected separate asap.

There is a thread on a Russian board for dogman about this subject. A poll gives 51 votes for Balkan rules and only 7 for orginal Cajun rules. Now because most of the people on that board already go by that rules or come from the Balkan, i would like to see what people think about it here.

[R2L]

over 30 views 2 vote.
i think there's plenty of experience on this board to enter a (anonymous) vote.

[CYJ]

The Cajun rules do allow a longer out of holds time. But most dog men sat down and agreed on the minute details. One option was keeping dogs head in corner or letting dog be faced, but kept behind the line. Did not matter to me, preferred to let dog be faced out. To allow more breathing space without burning out the dog's much needed energy. When the handler has to struggle with dog to keep head and body in corner. Most would take the dog head into the corner to sponge ect. Then turn it around and set the feet.

One had the option of 60 to 30 seconds on out of holds count. Most went with a 30 second time limit. 3 seconds is to fast, you could have the bottom dog and it just needs a little wind break. Time to make a scratch was normally 10 seconds. Some wanted 15. Some wanted the dog to mouth, others went with skin contact. the options were there.

Why I like the Cajun rules over all. Was not all in the book was written in stone, the options were there to be used. Had one of the booklets, believe Sparks printed and sold them. Studied booklet real good and had it with me if I did any refereeing.

[R2L]

CYJ, do you realize i mean 3 sec out of hold when fighting?

[CYJ]

That would be very crazy in deed. They would be snatching dogs left and right. Two dogs standing up and both just quit going at it each other for three seconds. Would make me start wondering if both dogs were fixing to up and quit. I would be the last one to want to handle my dog. Would let the other guy have the first grab and first scratch. LOL

Unless totally blown out and on bottom or in shock. I would want mine with something in it's mouth at all times. LOL Hope I have understood you correctly. Cheers

[SteelyDan]

I assume you mean after the first turn is made R2L?

I dont really see the point of waiting 3 seconds to make a handle. When the scratching gets started, keep it going. Handling dogs takes finesse and knowing when not to handle does too.

You lost me with.... The ref will count to 3 and then they handle, if connected they must separate immediately. If they are connected... they arent exactly out of holds.

[R2L]

Exactly CYJ

Unless totally blown out and on bottom or in shock. I would want mine with something in it's mouth at all times.

Yea.... you can imagine allot of good dogs die under that rules too, because there simply is no chance of making one scratch.

Sorry if i wasn't clear SteelyDan. If one of them would grab the other after the count of 3, they will have be separated asap.

[EWO]

Cajun rules. I think every dog has the right to quit and should be given the opportunity to do so. The Cajun rules and the times involved make scratching paramount. I have seen it both ways as well CYJ, I have had the fight crazy freak in the corner who I felt like was burning up all he had while facing the corner trying to get back over there. It is a double standard, LOL, I want you to face the corner but I want to face across for less energy being burned. We can't have it all. EWO

[Officially Retired]

I think the Cajun Rules are better, because it allows the fight to be over with much quicker.

If you have to wait for BOTH dogs to sit there, out of holds, for 3 seconds, then you either have 2 short-winded, cur pieces-of-shit on your hands ... OR (if you're dealing with 2 game, long-winded dogs, in good shape, and it gets to this point) ... then the contest has gone on-and-on so long to be at the point where both dogs are done. Much harder to save dogs the deeper into the deal you go

With the Cajun Rules, if I can get a handle the moment I see an opportunity, then I can get the scratching started *much* sooner ... which thereby allows me to find out which dog will quit *much* sooner ... which in turn thereby allows me to get the contest over with much sooner ... and ultimately allows me to get less holes, less abuse, and less utter fatigue and dehydration on the better dog by the time it's over. You see, to me, it's about finding out which is the gamer dog ASAP, so you can save him.

Because, when you're dealing with 2 game dogs, in good shape, the longer you make the out of holds count be (and especially requiring it on both dogs), the longer you force the contest to go ... thereby running greater risk of killing both dogs.

The only reason to prolong the out-of-holds is if you're dealing with short-winded, cur pieces of shit ... and you want to force them to keep fighting (so you have something to do on a Saturday night). If that's what the deal is, then by all means make the out of holds count as long as possible, and try NOT to get any scratching done ... so you can prolong the point where someone has to count to 10.

Jack

[EWO]

Well said Jack.