Let's see them Vise-Grip dogs

[Icedogger]

BoneYard Bulldog's Mugsy Malone

http://www.boneyardbulldogs.synthasite.com

[Officially Retired]

I'd like to see a recent picture of Mugsy

Jack

PS: After I contribute a few more articles, posts, etc. to the overall site ... I will take photos of my Beowulf male and my Amazon bitch ... as well as my double-Ouch male Silver Phoenix

[Icedogger]

For sure I'll post some of him and of Tuscany they are both doing very well.

[FACE203]

Lookin gud!!!

[Icedogger]

BONEYARD'S TUSCANY(VISE-GRIP)

[AL Clown]

My Vise-Grip infused dogs:

[Officially Retired]

Damn, Ice, Tuscany is a moose! LOL, is she preggo in that photo?

Jack

PS: Al Clown, I can see my stuff in the first dog, but the other dogs show the other elements in their peds more I think. How is the push-faced one bred, the one against the fence? Looks like it could be a Diamond Girl-bred dog ... or is that coming from a different line?

[AL Clown]

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/pu ... _id=306169

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/pu ... _id=262852

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/pu ... _id=374162

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/pu ... _id=350171

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/pu ... _id=407888

Believe it or not the last 3 are all litermates..there was actually a female twin to the male that someone tried to steal but must have gotten spooked and drop her on the ground and she died right outside the whelping box.

The last female also has a twin, they were given to a friend with the agreement that he give them back if he could no longer care for them. He decides to sell them to get some money for drugs. I was able to buy the female back but the guy that bought the male I haven't been able to contact. However, I do no he is being well cared for by the guy grandmother.

The brindle red nose was the only one in the litter that didn't have an identical twin although there was another red & white red nose that died a few days after birth. She actually shows the traits of her grand dam (Razor/Legend) blood..so you are absolutely correct on your guess Jack. Proving once again you are a man that knows your line of dogs.

P.S. don't you think the male pup look a little like Pheonix?

[Runner]

Very nice keep on posting

[Officially Retired]

Thanks for posting AL.

Your posted pedigrees actually show the very phenomenon with "crosses" that makes them difficult to manage, genetically, and that is which "side" of the pedigree does each individual dog actually pull from?

For example, the dog I pegged as having Diamond Girl blood in it (Saya, Dog #4) actually had less Diamond Girl blood in her than the Sydney (Dog #2), which is her mother. It is harder for me to spot the Diamond Girl blood in Sydney than it was for me to see it in her daughter Saya. Not only does a breeder have issues of head shape, body style, and color to deal with ... but of course there is also the issues of ability, mouth, air, performance style to deal with too. This doesn't mean that different dogs, of different shapes/colors etc., can't all be good dogs ... it just makes it tougher to manage "what you're going to get" if you're trying to streamline things a bit. For example, the Hiruku dog (Dog #3) I would have never pegged as either a Poncho dog or a Diamond Girl dog, and yet I could clearly see this in Saya, and yet they're both littermates

I am sure as you progress forward, certain individuals are going to distinguish themselves in the more important physical attributes, at which point you will be streamlining your or own efforts in that direction. On my yard, for example, Diamond Girl blood has always = short-winded, but game as hell. I bred Silverback to Dirty Diamond, to try to keep things @ 50% Ch Hammer, but to add the devastating qualities of Silverback rather than the average-but-game Diamond Girl qualities ... and I got the "average-but-game" Dirty Hammer :cry:

Yet, when I added another helping of Silverback, inbreeding Dirty Hammer back to him, these pups have all come out blistering and intense and have utterly demolished what they have been put with. I was able to push back the low ability of the Diamond Girl blood, but yet that consistent gameness has stayed, as it seems to me that Diamond Girl blood is at its best when left at 1/4 or less in a pedigree (although her son Ch Buster 4xW) might disagree ... yet, in his case, he did not inherit that short-winded push-face.

I have another Diamond Girl bitch, also 1/4, named Little D, in whom you can also see a little bit of that push-faced look ... but I added a heavy dose of Screamer blood to her, which (as you know) has exceptional stamina, with a kicker of the Big John blood, and Little D is a ferociously-game and intense bitch ... who has unbelievable stamina ... and if she hadn't have knocked-out all her teeth forever trying to pull roots and dig down to China, she would scare the ghost out of most bitches her weight, with the unrelenting drive and pressure she puts out

Jack


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