Question For the Board......

[luvmybulldogs]

HYPOTHETICALLY SPEAKING..... Two men can be looking at the same thing and have two totally different opinions in these dogs. That being said, let me give a scenario.... you have 2 hounds that you've waited on until these hound is over 3 years old. Now you stick hound A and hound B together and they crank right up.... Hound A looks the best, in total control, smart ear sucker.... shows no mouth at all..... Hound B cant get in and when she does get a hold she doesnt keep it, frustrated and whining while not taking ANY REAL PUNISHEMENT.... HYPOTHETICALLY SPEAKING.... lets say this goes on for about 15 minutes. Neither take much damage at all.... A handle is made Hound B.... doesnt go... walks off.... Hound A to go and stands.... and this was the one in total control. Now this is where it gets tricky when PARTNERS ARE INVOLVED. IMO, i would cull both hounds. your partner says he wants to keep Hound A and give her another look. My thing is FOR WHAT???? I understand not knowing what to do or how to do it.... that comes with schooling. THE FACT THAT BOTHERS ME IS HE IS WILLING TO WASTE HIS TIME ON A HOUND THAT FLAT OUT STOOD THE LINE ON TOP. I feel like if the hound is able to go, they should make every attempt possible to get back to business. if not, i dont feel the hound is intertested in doing what it was bred to do. me and my partner was friends before these dogs and we will be friends after. im just concerned that if two partners are this far apart in opinions, should we really be partners in these dogs???? ALL OPINIONS AND COMMENTS NEEDED PLEASE!!!!!!

[Officially Retired]

How old were these dogs and how experienced was the first dog?

[luvmybulldogs]

For sake of argument, lets say both hounds were over 3 years old and was both first time ever being touched.

[Officially Retired]

I would never judge any dog on its first time down, and I would never try to "start" any dog with a dog that has no experience either.

Ch Vengence himself stopped on his first roll, after beating the piss out of a growly-snappy cur who then stood the line. Vengence was young, he was confused by the cur-snapping, and he was disinterested in fighting a cur.

The owner called me with a similar "What do I do?" question, I told him to conduct himself like a professional dogman, not an amateur kid, and put his young dogs only with AN EXPERIENCED BULLDOG, not another green chump. So the guy put Vengence in there with a real bulldog ... that pissed him off and brought out his best ... and the rest (as they say) is history.

Jack


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[luvmybulldogs]

I understand Jack. They were compatible in size and i knew both would start. That's my fault. I keep having this image of her standing there and it bothers the hell outta me man, i'm not gonna lie. I understand what you're saying about fighting a cur also. She will get another go and the one that's gonna be on her this time means business. Hound A style should help her against this straight forward bulldozer. if she cant keep her out, we'll see if she stands again.

[Officially Retired]

I just think it's important to remember to SCHOOL them first ... and save the "judgement" for later ... AFTER they're schooled and experienced

[QCKLime]

I agree with Jack. You can't fault a hound on his first time down if what you're showing him can be at all confusing. We ask a hell of a lot out of our dogs to begin with, the very least we can do is make sure that they are 100% clear on what exactly that is. Putting them with a dog that isn't challenging or hurting them at all definitely leaves room for interpretation by any dog, most especially first timers. YOU need to be sure that this dog knows what his/her job is, before you can start judging them on how they work.

[BIGFLA73]

I THINK THE PROBLEM IS THAT PEOPLE DONT REALLY KNOW WHAT SCHOOLING IS OR WHAT ITS FOR....SCHOOLING AND CHECKING IS TO DIFFRENT THINGS ....

[Officially Retired]

That also goes for the other dog too ... its very first time down was pure frustration, no reward. The last thing I would ever put on a first time dog would be a slick head dog ... hell slick head dogs make EXPERIENCED PIT CHAMPIONS quit ... let alone a completely unschooled dog just trying to get its first bite.

You have to use more sense and understanding that that.

Both dogs should have been put in there with a true bulldog (of average/below-average ability) who would relentlessly go after them, but who would be easy to figure out and whip once they start. It forces the unschooled dog to defend himself, and yet (because the opponent is easy), it builds confidence in the inexperienced dog at the same time, because he "wins" ... and what he sees in his game-plug opponent is HAPPINESS and ENTHUSIASM all geeked-up in the corner ... not cur-snapping and an opponent standing there when it's done.

A little common sense and forethought go a long way

Jack

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[luvmybulldogs]

I understand the difference between schooling and checking. The weight she is we dont have many the same size, and if you ask other folks to play they going to bring a good one trying to prove a point or something so we use or own with our own. That being said.... I can admit i may have rushed to judge especially considering the dogs dont even know what to do yet.... That was a valid point. But sometimes when ya got two people involved instead of trying to make the other one see your point or vice versa, ya gotta find a common ground.... I got it... Talked to my friend earlier and both will get another look. NOW THAT BRINGS ME TO THIS..... When u say they dont know what to do..... are you saying one can be taught to go????