What kind of bone pigear ect.. do you all think is best for working a dogs mouth out???
What kind of bone pigear ect.. do you all think is best for working a dogs mouth out???
Big rawhide bones work great for us
I may be worng but i thought rawhide wasn't good for your dogs??Originally Posted by Trill
Uncooked, beef shank bones are preferred IMO.
honestly coming from experience it isnt needing unless you have a spring poll which also strenghens there neck. I have fed many dogs my entire carreer and i have came to a conclusion that the bite they have comes from there work. If you condition a dog good he will have a better bite than the dog that is less conditioned because there mouth will not get as tired fast. Trust me! Its not needed
I disagree with you on some matters here, agree with you on others.
- 1. A dog's ability to "bite hard" is 100% genetic;
[list:m2bszt9e]a) You can take a freak mouth dog off the chain, with no work, and he will still be a freak-mouth dog;
b) You can work a mush-mouth dog as hard as you want, and all he will ever be is a well-conditioned mush-mouth dog;
2. Working a dog's mouth does enable them to use whatever mouth they have longer.
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- a) The jaw and mandible muscles are muscles, and as such can be conditioned too.
Therefore, I think adding something for "conditioning the jaw muscles," while it may not turn your dog into Zebo, it will allow him to use whatever biting power he does have over a longer, sustained period of time.
Jack
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I agree with that jack, hard,honest mouth comes from genetics,Not from extreme work from the hide.
i agree with what you just said.
This brings me to a thought that i have been trying to get a great explaintion for.
Based on scientfic facts that a animals bite force is impacted and contributed by the animals jaw stucture, jaw muscles, and weight.A dog's ability to "bite hard" is 100% genetic;
but how can this be if there bite force in 100% genetic.
For example lets you Bass Tramp Redboy.
redboy was a pretty good 52lbs dog that had a good size head, and jaw structure but lacked mouth(a hard bite)
Since he threw that trait into his offspring they lacked mouth as well as i have understood. Therefore they wanted to add mouth to the redboy dogs so they cross it with a Jocko dog that was known to have a great mouth(hard bite) who was matched between 46lbs- 48lbs.
Yes it might be true that there Mouth is 100% genetic, then we are proven science false
I disagree with you on some matters here, agree with you on others.
- 1. A dog's ability to "bite hard" is 100% genetic;
[list:49cijk7i]a) You can take a freak mouth dog off the chain, with no work, and he will still be a freak-mouth dog;
b) You can work a mush-mouth dog as hard as you want, and all he will ever be is a well-conditioned mush-mouth dog;
2. Working a dog's mouth does enable them to use whatever mouth they have longer.
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- a) The jaw and mandible muscles are muscles, and as such can be conditioned too.
Therefore, I think adding something for "conditioning the jaw muscles," while it may not turn your dog into Zebo, it will allow him to use whatever biting power he does have over a longer, sustained period of time.
Jack
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Proving science false? I think you just need to really comprehend what you're reading.
- 1) If an animal's bite force is based on jaw structure, jaw muscles, and weight(??) ... are you trying to say that "training" affects basic jaw structure and muscle structure?
2) If Redboy dogs don't have mouth (genetically), and if you have to add Jocko blood to them to give them mouth (= add different genetics), where are you extrapolating the idea that "training" is affecting mouth performance?
In other words, why don't you just "train" Redboy dogs to bite harder, if conditioning is all that's required to get it? Why are you having to breed different genetics into them to get mouth?
Jack
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As some of you may or maynot know I do a dog sport called Schutzhund. One of the things that gets judged hard in this sport is the grip of the dog.
The judges are looking for deep, full, hard grips. When looking for a working puppy to do the sport with we tend to seleted the pup with this deep full hard grip that has it naturally as there are too many other things to work on in this sport such as the dreaded tracking and the obediance phase.
ADBA CH Candela V. Torque at 5 weeks old
and 18 months old
If you would take notice this female pup above has a full grip alreay in this photo at 5 weeks old and it was hard too. During training when dog dont have the hard grip we do things like give them misses before they get the grip so that when they do get it they bite it hard. I had one female that then took hunting and everytime she worked a hog she would go deep and hard mouth on it because it's all she knew.
This is the above pup's sire at 9.5 years old earning his Sch III title. If you look close you will see the bend in the decoy's sleeve becuase the grip is so nice full and hard.
This is his half brother Marshall's RCA (whitehead) Sch III FH II DVG National Champion. Displaying the same type of natural mouth and grip
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