In your opinions what traits do you like and dislike in the Frisco line? All opinions, comments, and advice welcome
Thanks in advance
In your opinions what traits do you like and dislike in the Frisco line? All opinions, comments, and advice welcome
Thanks in advance
This may not be a popular opinion, but I do have first-hand experience dealing with a few Frisco dogs, and I saw the Frisco dog himself personally on Garner's yard back in 1990.
With that said, I personally would have never based my yard on a shy dog like Frisco. Yes, I realize the dog has produced multiple Champions, but considering that he has thousands of offspring that really doesn't mean much. I have seen several painfully-shy Frisco dogs, but I also realize that there are outgoing Frisco dogs as well.
On the good end, if you get a good Frisco dog, you should have a high-ability dog with an excellent mouth and it will be at least game enough to win (while it's ahead). While I know there are game individuals of this bloodline, I don't believe any knowledgeable dogman would call this a high-percentage-game line of dogs. But if you have a good animal of this line, it should be an athletic (possibly devastating) animal with enough gameness to win. Yet even some of these will be shy dogs, though there are "normal" dogs of this line too.
On the bad end, if you get a bad Frisco dog, you well get a painfully-shy useless animal that is afraid of its own shadow. I was told directly by Ed Faron, Garner's friend at the time, that Frisco himself was so shy he couldn't even be rolled in front of a crowd and would freeze-up and not scratch if there was any noise. What I myself saw of the animal was a dog that was always on the wrong side of the chain (meaning, instead of coming up to you to be petted ... was hiding in fear of you on the other side of his chain spot).
It is my personal opinion that, no matter how devastating a dog like this might be ... if you allow him to be in a perfect world in his own chain space (where no one makes any noise) ... that out in the real world of open competition where scream and make noise at pitside the dog couldn't cut it (which is why he was given to Garner) ... and so I would not consider such an animal to be "what I want to make more of" ...
That is said with no bad motives, but it is my honest opinion.
Jack
I have had it crossed with Jeep Redboy blood two different ways, One off a son of Elmo bred to a daughter of Gr. Ch A.C., the other was off of Garner and Powers Diesel(Ch. Dynomite littermate brother)bred to a daughter of St. Benedicts Baiey who was a 50/50 Jeep Redboy/Frisco cross herself. They were really intense dogs who knew how to finish although the one off of Diesel was a complete madman he was extremly fight crazy and would bite you if not released quick enough. I Really like that cross everyway I had it it worked.Had some stuff down from Mojo that I think was the best, those dogs were the only dogs I had that were not crosses, the line was kept true and not peddled like a lot of other Frisco dogs
Originally Posted by Hurstmob
I have heard that Kelly's Mojo Rising really did produce some good, game dogs too ... which only goes to show that there are certain pockets of any line that are superior to others. These same dogmen didn't like the Frisco dogs in general, but yet they made Champion with MacGuyver.
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I have heard by some who saw dogs like Gr CH Shotsie, and there can be no doubt these were truly great dogs, though there was a lot of extra top-shelf Bolio blood in there to help them be that way.
I know Ed Center has some good Frisco blood that he likes, and I actually owned a bitch of his named Blade, who was a solid bitch (albeit a little shy). I bred her to my U-Nhan-Rha dog and got some pretty good dogs out of it. Ed's a good dogman who keeps his dogs to high standard.
I guess as with any mass-produced line there are going to be pockets of them that are held to a high standard, and so really are excellent dogs, while most are going to be paper-bred nothings, forever being bred & changing hands amongst the masses.
Jack
I had own that was just like that he would destoy a dog if it was just me and him, but in a crowd he would be to scared to even move. Then i have some that will bite the shit out of you too.
http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum...hp?dog_id=6821
Never really liked the Frisco stuff till I saw this one. Game and rough!
So we added her to our program.
Not my kind of dogs these frisco's
These are some that made huge impact in South Africa.
http://www.thepitbullbible.com/forum...=5337&sex_id=2
As I mentioned a few months back, I owned a fairly heavy (59.375%) Frisco bitch named Center's Blade. She produced a DG winner for me when bred to my U-Nhan-Rha dog.
Ability-wise, she was strong but average, and temperament-wise she was mildly shy, but not too bad.
This is a letter that was sent to Jack Kelly,editor of The Sporting Dog Journal in May - June 1997.The letter was sent by a guy called CHAINSAW,and he writes:
Dear Journal-
I've heard one story after another about Garner's FRISCO over the past several years.I have heard that he was a 2X winner before he was sold in North Carolina and even that the current owner took him back because he had been mistreated by his former owner.I will tell everyone the truth because I was the fellow that owned FRISCO for a year and a half and I am the guy who sent him there.
FRISCO started out in the Bay Area of California at a couple of different dogmens yards.He was moved around so often because he was extremely shy and not kept in good health.It was up in Oregon in May of 1988 where a bunch of us gathered for a bbq. After we were through we decided to take a look at FRISCO.He disappointed everyone.His owner at the time V.R wanted to put him down right after he quit,but I talked him into letting me take him home and work with him a little.My brother and I did get him to come out of his shell a little but never to the point where we would have bet a dime on him winning a match.Since FRISCO'S mother,CHINA GIRL had quit in 15 minutes,we were very skeptical about FRISCO to start with.Finally,one day we decided to try FRISCO again,against a scatter bred dog that was sent to us by a friend in California.This dog had never been touched before,but was very hot and had weighed about 5lbs smaller than FRISCO.He tore into FRISCO and had him singing in three minutes.We separated them and tried to scratch FRISCO and he wouldn't scratch.My brother took the other dog who was screaming to go back,and I turned FRISCO loose.He just stood there and made no attempt to look for the other dog.I called V.R and told him and said that I should have gotten rid of him 18 months ago.He told me that Tom wanted the dog and the next day I shipped him to North Carolina.I had never been paid for the shipping charges or the kennel.I was given a pup off of FRISCO in what I took to be compensation for the shipping charges.He quit in 6 minutes.
If anyone finds this hard to believe,there are a lot of people who can verify what I have said.I'm not looking to start a ragging war with anyone,just to end the rumor's that I hear everyday about FRISCO.
CHAINSAW.
Some of the gamest, and overall best dogs I've seen came down from the frisco/lee ling stuff. Don't know much about frisco dogs of today. But I seriously doubt they are of the quality as they were in the 90's
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