In your opinions what traits do you like and dislike in the Frisco line? All opinions, comments, and advice welcome
Thanks in advance
In your opinions what traits do you like and dislike in the Frisco line? All opinions, comments, and advice welcome
Thanks in advance
This may not be a popular opinion, but I do have first-hand experience dealing with a few Frisco dogs, and I saw the Frisco dog himself personally on Garner's yard back in 1990.
With that said, I personally would have never based my yard on a shy dog like Frisco. Yes, I realize the dog has produced multiple Champions, but considering that he has thousands of offspring that really doesn't mean much. I have seen several painfully-shy Frisco dogs, but I also realize that there are outgoing Frisco dogs as well.
On the good end, if you get a good Frisco dog, you should have a high-ability dog with an excellent mouth and it will be at least game enough to win (while it's ahead). While I know there are game individuals of this bloodline, I don't believe any knowledgeable dogman would call this a high-percentage-game line of dogs. But if you have a good animal of this line, it should be an athletic (possibly devastating) animal with enough gameness to win. Yet even some of these will be shy dogs, though there are "normal" dogs of this line too.
On the bad end, if you get a bad Frisco dog, you well get a painfully-shy useless animal that is afraid of its own shadow. I was told directly by Ed Faron, Garner's friend at the time, that Frisco himself was so shy he couldn't even be rolled in front of a crowd and would freeze-up and not scratch if there was any noise. What I myself saw of the animal was a dog that was always on the wrong side of the chain (meaning, instead of coming up to you to be petted ... was hiding in fear of you on the other side of his chain spot).
It is my personal opinion that, no matter how devastating a dog like this might be ... if you allow him to be in a perfect world in his own chain space (where no one makes any noise) ... that out in the real world of open competition where scream and make noise at pitside the dog couldn't cut it (which is why he was given to Garner) ... and so I would not consider such an animal to be "what I want to make more of" ...
That is said with no bad motives, but it is my honest opinion.
Jack
I have had it crossed with Jeep Redboy blood two different ways, One off a son of Elmo bred to a daughter of Gr. Ch A.C., the other was off of Garner and Powers Diesel(Ch. Dynomite littermate brother)bred to a daughter of St. Benedicts Baiey who was a 50/50 Jeep Redboy/Frisco cross herself. They were really intense dogs who knew how to finish although the one off of Diesel was a complete madman he was extremly fight crazy and would bite you if not released quick enough. I Really like that cross everyway I had it it worked.Had some stuff down from Mojo that I think was the best, those dogs were the only dogs I had that were not crosses, the line was kept true and not peddled like a lot of other Frisco dogs
Some of the gamest, and overall best dogs I've seen came down from the frisco/lee ling stuff. Don't know much about frisco dogs of today. But I seriously doubt they are of the quality as they were in the 90's
Originally Posted by Hurstmob
I have heard that Kelly's Mojo Rising really did produce some good, game dogs too ... which only goes to show that there are certain pockets of any line that are superior to others. These same dogmen didn't like the Frisco dogs in general, but yet they made Champion with MacGuyver.
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I have heard by some who saw dogs like Gr CH Shotsie, and there can be no doubt these were truly great dogs, though there was a lot of extra top-shelf Bolio blood in there to help them be that way.
I know Ed Center has some good Frisco blood that he likes, and I actually owned a bitch of his named Blade, who was a solid bitch (albeit a little shy). I bred her to my U-Nhan-Rha dog and got some pretty good dogs out of it. Ed's a good dogman who keeps his dogs to high standard.
I guess as with any mass-produced line there are going to be pockets of them that are held to a high standard, and so really are excellent dogs, while most are going to be paper-bred nothings, forever being bred & changing hands amongst the masses.
Jack
Nice looking dogs there jack. We've had good results with Frisco crosses.
REMO`S GORM This one is one of the best dogs I've seen. Beat 2 really good ones, Facedog and a finisher to boot.
FEZ! This one beat a ch and a 1xw. Hell of a dog.
KELSO! THE gamest dog I've seen. Won over a 1 xw in over 2hours.
The missing dog in the pedigree is this one. (EVOLUTION KNLS)MACHO (1XW) ROM
Very nice dogs there Skipper.
I'v also owned dogs from the same Novosel Frisco/Leeling blood that you have in your dogs pedigrees. One of the gamest dogs, if not the gamest i'v ever owned was from that blood, funny though as he was the exact polar opposite of what i'v read and heard a Frisco dog should be.
Thank you. I don't know what Frisco dogs are supposed to be like. But i certainly like these ones. Tough and all round gamedogs, very capable of handling pressure. And the frank white stuff goes very well with it.
You're welcome and thank you for sharing your pedigrees too. (FYI, I went ahead and altered the pedigrees to the "public" version so everyone could see them)
That Gorm dog is seriously lean and slick-looking! However, genetically-speaking (while I do see the Frisco blood there through the intensely-bred Dunder) ... there is more Bolio/Tombstone blood in Gorm than anything else.
And he looks it!
There is lots of old Bolio/Tombstone blood running through this one too (though not quite as much), but the addition of the old Mt.Man blood makes it a bit different.
Nice-looking brother to Fez ... really spectacular physique on him
They all really look like topshelf athletes, so thanks for sharing!
Jack
Thnx for the kind words Jack. I meant to put that into my post as well. I do not consider these dogs Frisco dogs per say, but I really like the Bolio/tombstone-Eli/carver blend. Just wanted to share these dogs purely out of the topic of this thread. Since we liked these dogs so much we are repeating this breeding very soon. Space is always an issue though.
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