TOMBSTONE OR BOLIO STUD,WHICH WOULD U CHOOSE(EVOLUTION)

[Black Hand]

i agree with jack. I would breed a young bitch just to ensure she could have pups later on. Nothing worst than finding out a prized bitch is a terrible mother or can't have pups after 5 years of owning her. Breeding her early is not a bad idea.

The knock on using something like frozen semen on a young bitch is you have never seen her welp a live litter.

As far as being rough on the bitch. I imagine it is much easier on a young bitch than it would be on an old bitch who never had pups. Older females who never had a litter seem to have more complications which is why you might want to do one early. I believe it was Ed Faron, who has undoubtedly bred a lot of dogs, told me statistically there was no difference in the number of bad mothers or real complications when it was a young bitch vs a mid aged bitch. Either she is a good mother or she is not and there is only one way to find out... Probably better sooner than later.

[Officially Retired]

This is true, Black Hand.

Young bitches' bones aren't fully-calcified yet, so they're more pliable, so breeding them on their first/second heat helps "break them in" for motherhood.

They may make dumb mistakes, but they learn the ropes so-to-speak, and it tends to mature them out too.

[Black Hand]

This is true, Black Hand.

Young bitches' bones aren't fully-calcified yet, so they're more pliable, so breeding them on their first/second heat helps "break them in" for motherhood.

They may make dumb mistakes, but they learn the ropes so-to-speak, and it tends to mature them out too.

Yeah, that's what I was thinking of. I was going to say more flexible but I thought it might sound confusing. But that's what I was getting at. Where as an older bitch who never has had pups might actually be the one with the rougher time than the young bitch.

[BSK]

True Black H waand But Jack wasn't referring to the gyp he was referring to me Breeding to the other male that wasn't up to standard as far as health wise so he said he agree I should Breed to the other male. I did proceed with Breeding to Crabb's Rooster Red so only time will tell.

[MISTER]

Jack i normally agree with your point of view on most aspects of these dogs, breeding young dogs is something I just can't do. Yea sometimes its needed as a stud dog maybe old and a person may want to get one last litter off him. To make it common practice to breed young animals isnt a good thing bc you dont know what traits youre putting into the next generation nor do you know what traits are lacking. A person can know as much as they want bout a certain animal but if thats made common practice it's a recipe for disaster. How does a person know which individual is undesirable? Sure a cur can produce, a young dog, or even a cold one I just think it shouldnt be made common practice

[bolero]

i dont thick jack was advocating making it common practice but when someone has been breeding the same line successfully for years i feel they can take chances as long as they do not make a habit out of it like you stated

[MISTER]

i dont thick jack was advocating making it common practice but when someone has been breeding the same line successfully for years i feel they can take chances as long as they do not make a habit out of it like you stated

Yes I understood what Jack was saying and I can somewhat agree with a person breeding a young dog if they know the line theyre breeding but to continue to breed young unchecked animals for the sake of making a dollar isnt a good thing. No matter how good the blood is in the end using those methods over and over will ruin a good line of consistent bulldogs.

[Black Hand]

If you are keeping the litter... What's it matter?

[GEAUX TIGERS]

I actually looked at Jack and he is a good hog dog. I know of many less talented dogs that are being bred. His pedigree is also second to none and he is from a family that is nearly gone. Im not quite sure the difficulty in understanding that jack is too valuable to risk losing in a contest and should be bred. Think about how many great Hollingsworth dogs were lost to matches through the years.

Second, some young bitches have been bred by evo. However, the bitches are off Hollingsworth Bull. They are one of a kind. Im not quite sure why anyone would not think it was a good idea to breed these bitches as soon as they are over a year and physically capable of whelping a litter. I have never seen evo breed bitches under a year or any young bitch that wasnt off a "one of a kind" frozen semen breeding.


The idiots on peds online arguing against this are simply morons hating on the success of evo. They are uninformed and have never seen any of these dogs. If you look at the thread closely, it is obvious that they aren't even competitors in the dogs.

Finally, I assure you monetary gain was not the primary reason for breeding these bitches. For example, evo actually skips heats on his heavy machobuck bitches to make sure they have completely recovered. Evo bred the bitches off bull simply because it was the right thing to do in his judgement.


These are simply my opinions.

Titan Kennels

[ragedog10]

This might rub some the wrong way b.u.t I only know one way to be and that is truthful!
Truth is anyone breeding young dogs being bred for a ca$h profit can only be call one thing and thats a dam peddler!
If that breeding was done with young dogs that act the part and both dam and sire are dead and said litter stayed put then understandable!
Not knocking anyone for as I dont have to feed them,but just cause a pup looked good for five does not deem him a stud! Have three bad S.O.B that are well over two speed,mouth,smarts! None of that makes them a stud dog to "ME"!