I think all of this has gotten far away from the topic of my post. The dogs of concern in the topic are all of age & tested. Ms Pillage has Been Bred to Rooster Red
I think all of this has gotten far away from the topic of my post. The dogs of concern in the topic are all of age & tested. Ms Pillage has Been Bred to Rooster Red
Lol, really? At your stage, worrying about trivial things like "what other people are doing"?Originally Posted by ragedog10
I personally could give a shit what anyone else does ... if they breed two Grand Champions together ... or two puppies ... I will never buy any dog, from anyone, unless I bred it (or it came from a breeding of two of my dogs).
All I know is, someone better bring a talented, deeply game dog to whip one of mine, whether it comes from a hard-tested bitch I bred ... or her young daughter
I bred dogs and sold dogs, guess that makes me a "peddler" (dog-seller), lmao, that's very quick of you good sir
The thing is, though, the dogs I sold won a lot of fights, in a lot of places, for a lot of years.
Nobody's opinion is worth $0.02 to me when it comes to "how to breed dogs" ... been breeding them long enough to have a pretty good idea of what I'm going to get when I breed two of mine together.
To YOU ... exactly, to you
But other people aren't "you" ... and they have the right to make their own decisions with their own dogs.
I agree, MOST people breeding untested dogs together ... haven't actually owned ANY of the dogs in their dogs' pedigrees ... so they're pretty much swingin in the dark
If I breed an untested gyp, I know everything about her father, her mother, their litter, the parents' litter, etc.
I KNOW what to expect out of virtually every breeding I have ever made. Some may fall short, some may hit the bullseye, but ALL hit the general target
The worth of what people think, and what people do, will ALWAYS be proven out (one way or another) in their breeding records.
Most people never get on first base. That and that alone is all the criticism needed.
If people are consistently breeding winners, they don't need any comments from The Peanut Gallery
And that includes you and it includes me
I can't tell you that "you must" breed your males that have shown talent ... any more than you can tell me "I must not" breed my young gyp who's not been rolled yet
All I can say is make sure anything you bring to face one of my dogs is VERY GOOD and VERY GAME ... if you expect to join The 12.5% Club
Otherwise, you'll be a member of The 87.5% Club
Jack
I was one of those ppl and I shared my opinion. NQK was fine with it and we spoke in private. He knows very respectable ppl that know us. What Evo has accomplished and who THEY are is well respected or simply understood as individuals in dogs. All the weight calling and boasting moved no one on that thread to shock and aw. I don't meet ppl and beg for dogs or kiss ass cause I like and enjoy my own. Im not sentimental about bloodline or none of that. I just like game dogs. I'm a dog man barnone. I'm respectful and just had a difference in opinion. I stated my opinion and left it at that. Don't defend your choice or opinion is all I'm saying. That is what made that long drawn out thread. It's your choice to own if you make it. I just had an opinion. Some big analytical debate on small details is a drag on good useful energy. Im sure I'll do it again and offend someone for a difference of opinion. Not my intention in the least. Peace and blessings in all your endeavors.
What are you talking about?
I don't see a single post from you here
Oh, I was just confused is all.
I was like ... where's NQK on here ... where's your posts?
Sorry, just couldn't figure out what you were talking about
Thanks for clarifying!
EGK, said everything i would have said!
With what EGK has said i will only add this, I am a dog lover of all breeds from mutts to pure breds. One day when you people come off the computer stop by your local animal shelter and have a look around. Let me know how many PITBULLS you see with that look that just makes you want to bring them all home and find a better life for them!!!
Low and behold its some young children on here thats reading these post and has himself two 9 month old pups thats hes now going to go breed!
This is just a matter of how "I" see the world .
Like i have said before this may rub some the wrong way cant help that!
I think this topic alone should be touched on more on its own thread! Also it should be kept open with members allowed to speak their part as long as its kept respectful!
Now I never pointed you "JACK" or anyone out from that matter as a peddler b.u.t if you have bred two PUPPIES to each other soley because the ped would fetch great money they hay you raised your hand I didnt point fingers! Lol
With that I ask of us the "MEMBERS" who make this board wat it is,to take a look at how many people pimp our breed from the bs SAPCA,PETA to greedy people that only wants to line their pocket with as much duckets that can fit!
We as a people must save our breed and it starts by making sure that that 12year old who just spent his xmass money on two well bred pups who are off of two well bred pups and plans on breeding the two as soon as she comes in!! Lets make sure that when this same 12 year old then hopes on his fav site"The BIBLE" to read lastest thread hes not mislead is all.
With that I end as I came PEACE!
id love to meet the 12 yr old kid that has a credit card to join this site, much less, poney up the half a stack to buy 2 pups. its a little far fetched imo., but hey... it is 2015, so....maybe... lol
one thing i have noticed with the more time i spend around dog people, is how loosely the term "peddler" is tossed around (mostly on the internet.
if you use what you sell,(or better yet, keep the litter) than i dont see the issue. rather its a good practice or bad practice, it shouldnt matter to you unless it affects "you".
the dogs you find in the pound i can assure you were not bred by folks who are even in the same ballpark as the quality/caliber of breeder that we are discussing here. i can assure you wont find too many well bred dogs that somebody paid serious cash for in the pound.
I know of about 6 that were snatched up last month not bc of dogfighting but bc of the deplorable conditions they were living in. A pair came from evo so I know they cost good coin plus the shipping. I've lost count of how many times I've heard folks say ”I wish I'd kept that dog/puppy.
And for that reason alone we only breed what we need! And thats a great point you just made they mass produce litters and they end-up in a shit whole of a yard with someone that cant see them for anything more the a quick flip! But your a respectable breeder!
We all create our own individual standards and try to adhere to them as best as possible but the key word there is individual. You don't agree with someone else's methods then don't employ them? Don't use those methods, use your own. wether you want to breed young dogs, sell dogs, keep them all, use them all... Do what suits you. Criticizing isn't going to change anything. I'm pretty sure everyone here knows what happens when you breed generations of untested stock over and over. Having 4 generations of 9 month old mothers or stud dogs who's nuts just dropped is a far cry from using key individuals who are off good dogs or historic animals from frozen semen. What is important to you may not be important to me and the value of those young dogs to me may be very different to you. I just like to worry about my own dogs and my own standards.
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