Patrick x Carver Pups

[Pit Bull Committed]

Well said No Quarter Kennel. I agree with every bit you wrote above. I also tell people, Jack a is great guy full of great information but you just got to be blind when it comes to his insults.

[Officially Retired]

Sorry, no thinking disorder here.
The other thread is another thread. Another topic, but again, I never conceded that "raw was the best" b/c I never disagreed with that practice. I have always thought feeding raw was best I just don't think people who feed kibble are lazy, I know it's not a crime for anyone to feed dogfood (whether you or anyone else thinks kibble is dogfood or not, legal and categorically IT IS) and I'm just not as eager to hide behind I TELL IT LIKE IT IS or "I call a spade a spade" to be insulting or rude to anyone and more specifically, those I have so much in common with.

Point well taken.

You see me not posting a picture as laziness where I see it a choice. I don't owe you or anyone else here a picture of any property I own. I'm not real concerned with YOU knowing any dog in any pedigree of any dog I own. It's a choice, not a habit. Laziness is a condition from which I don't suffer. You know, it's funny b/c more than one person from this actual forum has called or emailed me thinking your persistence for wanting pictures of so many dogs from so many owners is very suspicious. Personally, I think you are a guy trying to build an incredible database of pedigrees, documentation and history that can and will grow into something special, however, your attitude through insults (which it doesn't matter if you intend them to be insults or not or if you are calling a spade a spade - perception by recipient warrants insult or not - not the giver) in wanting or demanding pictures has raised eyebrows of members on your own board and they have questioned your intent on wanting pictures of others' dogs. There have been comments similar to "FEDS-online" about this board. Again, I see it all cool - but the perception (which becomes reality so many times) is out there.

There are always idiots who are "suspicious" of everything. I want photos because it makes the damned pedigrees look better and more interesting. That's it.

Hell, I have posted photos of every single breeding I have ever done in my life, long before this place (or FedsOnline) was even in existence.

Even James Crenshaw once said, "If you want to sell dogs, you need to learn how to take a good photo."

I have scanned and added photos of Tudor's old dogs, to enhance many of Tudor's pedigrees ... am I trying to get old, dead Earl "in trouble also"

Fucking morons ...

Have I acknowledged me being lazy? I looked at myself for about 2 seconds in that regard and then remembered, CA Jack doesn't even know me. He's a guy who forms opinions base on internet banter. You have never met me and you don't know me in the least. Maybe it is you that should acknowledge that you are seemingly an expert in ONLINE, written, factually based relationships centered around topics of truth and fact, but not a person that can function, establish or maintain a working relationship in real life with real people outside the realm of PIT BULL OWNERS. I don't know this, just like you don't know much about me, but based on what I, and so many others see on here, you have created an online society (private one mind you) that you have become god and you exercise that authority in an unapologetic manner that benefits no one but you and your desire to prove you are right/correct about something. Not that any of this is true in any way shape or form, but it's the same type of progressive assumption one, as myself, could make about you with limited information I have about you, just as you do with me for not condemning others who feed kibble DOG FOOD or take pictures of their dogs and post on line.

My expertise goes beyond "the internet" good sir.

My dogs have won all over the world in real life ... and my breeding methods + caretaking methods have produced results for the dogmen who have used them all over the world ... which is why I have testimonials from people all over the world ... including yourself

As for the coaching comparison, I'm glad you brought it up. I'm an extremely accomplished coach actually. I am the Athletic Director, Head Football Coach and Head Boys and Girls Track Coach in a small HS in Texas. It's a rare combination as few AD's are head track coaches of both boys and girls, much less one or the other. I've set State Records in two relay races in my career and should break the 4x400 relay record, set in 1975, in the AA Girls Division. I've gone to losing football programs and posted 2 different "Dave Campbell's Texas High School Football" Magazine "Top Turnarounds In the State". DC FB mag is equivalent to the Tx HS football bible here. Bottom line, I can coach. I think a lot of my ability to get the most out of kids is doing exactly what you are talking about...........HOWEVER - you and I have slightly different approaches.

Congratulations on your accomplishments as a coach ... now get off your ass and post photos of your breedings

Just to read you my own resume, I conduct the investigations upon which civil attorneys base their cases, which means I am a fact-finder who creates the reports & factual presentations upon which the most accomplished trial lawyers base their cases and defend their insureds from (sometimes) multi-million dollar lawsuits, and I have been doing this since 1988.

Of all the cases I have put together in 26 years of doing this (though, admittedly, I took a hiatus in 1999) **only two** have ever lost ... and even those 2 went from pleadings for hundreds of thousands of dollars, down to less than $10K verdicts.

The statistical probability of some clown dogman whipping me in a debate, therefore, is about ZERO

The reason is, I know how to stick to the facts, while most people spiral down an emotional spin and LIE TO THEMSELVES at some point ... fabricate bullshit, etc., etc.

You are correct, I do not COMPLIMENT laziness or lack of achieving one's best. However, I also do not go to that athlete and tell them EVERY time, that "You know joe - what you are doing is b/c YOU ARE LAZY. For you to think your laziness is anything other than rationalization is moronic." That type of language, or approach will not get me what I need from this athlete for them to be their best. I have the "Winner's Bible" (my formula, thoughts and methods to achieve great things with these athletes) but if I don't know how to make it palatable for them to take and use on their own, then I have failed as a coach. I can still be an expert about everything I am right about, but if I am coaching someone to do something, there is only so much I can do as a coach and being perceived as insulting in any sense loses my audience instantly and rarely, do I ever get them back.

I have to admit, this is a good point.

My biggest weakness is my penchant to insult, though half the time I do it playfully just to razz folks

But still, you're right in the end: I should be more respectful.

I forget who (maybe Whitman or Emerson) said, "The first step to teaching is respecting the student."

Will try to work on that ... (and, incidentally, I do like you and respect you ... I think you're real and speak what you truly believe ... even if you can't admit you're just being too lazy to add photos )

You would be equivalent to so many coaches I see who really really know their sport and man, if you want to learn more as a coach to add to your "coaching toolbox" you'd be the guy to see. However, none of these kids (or adults in this forum or any other) care about how much you know until they know how much you care. NOW - I'm not getting sappy, b/c we all grown folks, but the bottom line is your approach to "helping" people by calling a spade a spade and so forth turns way more people off than you ever turn on. I can't think of anyone on this forum or any other place I've ever been, on the phone with, on an email with, that ever had anything to say about you other than, "Yeah, he knows his shit and probably more than anyone out there - but man, what a ******". I know you probably don't care about that, but since you like to point about YOUR PERCEIVED FACTS ABOUT ME and my laziness and incompetence, I thought I'd return "The Spade" by pointing out you're an asshole.

This, of course, is the truth. I can be a real asshole.

However, I don't have a bad heart. Quite the good heart, in fact.

For example, take a look at the testimonial on p. 10, 4th post down.

This bozo ran his mouth at me for over 10 years straight, threatened me, called Poncho a "cur" every chance he got, insulted me constantly ... until one day his poor little doggie had a life-threatening case of babesia, and his dumb ass was unprepared and he didn't have any meds. So WHO does he call for his medical emergency? You guessed, me. (This was back when I made my phone # public.)

And, so what do I do? Did I cuss him out? Did I laugh at his predicament? Nope.
I got his full address information, and overnighted him some Berenil, on MY dime, and helped save his bitch, that's what.

Did the cops raid his yard after I got his address? No again.

All these fucking retards who accuse me of "blah-blah" (1) sure know who to go to for HELP, and (2) sure seem to TRUST ME when the chips are down

You got a gift for sure. I think you are incredibly talented and have offered more to the breed than anyone I can really think of. The information in your materials are unparalleled and have helped, most likely, THOUSANDS of dogs, including mine. For this, I thank you and whether anyone out there wants to admit it, they thank you too. I also think you are extremely insulting to a ton of people on a forum, that you have created, proven to be the best on the internet and you control, AND THEY HAVE PAID YOU MONEY FOR.

Okay, you're right about that, on both counts. Will try to tone down my sharp tongue .. though it is difficult to do at times

I don't say any of this out of malice, but out of honest "spade a spade" kind of truth as I owe it to you for being so honest with me. I really think you are a great guy, with a great heart who does great things for dogs. You just come off as an asshole a lot.

I do not perceive anything you said as malicious, only brutal honesty, especially about me being an asshole at times, which I respect and with which I can agree.

But you're still lying to yourself on the feeding kibble and not bothering to add photos: pure laziness

Thanks for the convo and have a great weekend.
FERG

You too bud.

You're an asset to this place ... and you'd be an even bigger asset if you'd just add the GD photos

Jack

[SGC]

I like this forum, there are a lot of good knowledgeable people on here. And I like how posts for the most are respectful and that there is none of the BS found elsewhere.

But there are some points on this thread that could have been more tactful. Jack and Ferg, you are both good intelligent folks with a lot of dog knowledge, and you both care deeply about these dogs. I have a lot of respect for you both and I hate to see the insults thrown out as that is not constructive. I was brought up to treat people as I would like to be treated and that you catch more flies with honey than with vinegar.

I am glad things are resolved now and on an even keel. Feeding kibble is not the worst thing to happen to a dog, sure, raw is a better diet but sometimes life gets in the way and Jack, you even said you have fed kibble here and there for a few weeks. And it is funny, my old dog actually liked kibble better than the good raw meat I fed her.

I would not think poorly of anyone who feed a quality kibble, we all have different situtations in life, and while feeding a raw diet is optimal, it is not always possible. Life gets wicked busy at times, what can you do?

[No Quarter Kennel]

Jack - Much Respect Brother!

[Officially Retired]

Ditto

[jks256]

Lmao